Fed. low recoil ammo - Page 2

AutoFan · January 14th, 2006, 02:09 AM

I shot some of those low recoil, personal defense rounds in 40 once. They were much louder than anything else I had shot in that caliber. Even the guys working at the range counter wanted to know what I was shooting.

RSSZ · January 14th, 2006, 08:17 AM

Terminal Ballistics 101....... Given a good HP. The faster the bullet,the faster expansion,the less penetration. The CORBON 165's at 1250fps will penetrate just about right,slow them down to 1050 and ???. The down side of the CORBON ammo is,too much recoil for double taps. Look at the CORBON ammo's HP cavity. It's huge. The bullets velocity is high. It all evens out. With the regular thick walled HP's out their,I would be suspect of overpenetration. The heavier(200&230gr)Hornady XTP's especially. At the slower short bbl velocities I suspect that they would penetrate very deeply. Not sure about how completely or how evenly they would expand. I feel that the consumer has no way to really tell what the bullets outta our weapons will do when entering human tissue. The tests that are done are,for the most part,done to sell ammo. The other info that is compiled(Hatcher,etc.) has a huge ammount of variables involved. In the end,all we can do is use our understanding of ballistics and pick the ammo that is powerful enough but not too powerful,accurate enough out of the intended firearm,cost effective to carry AND practice with and above all........ looks pretty sittin' in the cylinder or mag. ----------

SOLOLUCKY · February 7th, 2006, 10:36 PM

i just picked up some of the same stuff rocky started the thread with. have not shot it yet but its good to know he had good luck with it in his gun. i was kind of skeptical how it would function the gun being labeled "low recoil"...bought it anyway though.
the calcs seem to make sense that were mentioned before, higher speed and bigger cavity in the HP would/should theoretically make it open up faster. and the lighter weight 165 vs 230 should slow it down faster to minimize over-penetration.

food for thought there. now to see how they function in the SA Micro.

NaturalSelection · February 7th, 2006, 11:45 PM

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Originally Posted by SOLOLUCKY

the calcs seem to make sense that were mentioned before, higher speed and bigger cavity in the HP would/should theoretically make it open up faster. and the lighter weight 165 vs 230 should slow it down faster to minimixe over-penetration.

bear in mind that the "low recoil" round is designed, marketed, and sold with the benefit of low recoil, to appeal to those who are recoil sensitive. ive seen no manufacturer state or even suggest that they are "equal" (and certainly not superior) to their standard rounds in terms of effectiveness (measured many different ways). yes theyre a great solution to recoil issues, but that is all they are designed, marketed, and sold to address. im sure theyre more than adequate for most any defensive need, but if they "packed as much punch" as the standard loads from the same company i feel sure they would be marketed as such.

rocky · February 8th, 2006, 12:17 AM

OK the fed. low recoil 45 ACP ammo I bought is 165 grn hydrashok. The box gives 1060 fps. and 410 ft-lb of energy. This doesn't seem low in #'s to me. Anyone else care to compare their ammo specs? (disclaimer: I understand this varies from gun to gun, but is a baseline)

NaturalSelection · February 8th, 2006, 12:47 AM

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Originally Posted by rocky

The box gives 1060 fps. and 410 ft-lb of energy. This doesn't seem low in #'s to me.

please dont misunderstand, my intent was not to suggest that the low recoil rounds arent adequate. my only input is to state that it wont be "equal" because you cant have it all. when somebody figures out how to id love a .44 with 9mm recoil.

NaturalSelection · February 8th, 2006, 01:36 AM

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Originally Posted by rocky

Anyone else care to compare their ammo specs?

fwiw,

corbon 165 gr - 1250 fps, 573 ft. lbs.

granted thats a +P load, i couldnt find a standard load in 165gr (not saying one doesnt exist, only that i couldnt find one) other than the corbon +P and the federal low recoil. a lighter bullet will always have less recoil and higher energy numbers. i still havent figured out just how important numbers really are. for example, a 165gr. corbon produces more energy than a 230gr corbon (950/461), but i trust the 230gr more.

Trebla · February 27th, 2006, 10:04 AM

rocky: I have a Glock 23 and a Kahr K40 and I use Federal Premium Personal Defense 135gr. JHP Low Recoil .40 S&W ammo. It is accurate as hell, gives you great triple tap capabilities, and has great F.B.I. ballistics. http://www.angelfire.com/co3/markcolo/testing.html

February 7th, 2006, 10:36 PM	#13
SOLOLUCKY Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: ROSS OHIO Posts: 501	i just picked up some of the same stuff rocky started the thread with. have not shot it yet but its good to know he had good luck with it in his gun. i was kind of skeptical how it would function the gun being labeled "low recoil"...bought it anyway though. the calcs seem to make sense that were mentioned before, higher speed and bigger cavity in the HP would/should theoretically make it open up faster. and the lighter weight 165 vs 230 should slow it down faster to minimize over-penetration. food for thought there. now to see how they function in the SA Micro. __________________ R1 This is mine. That is yours. Lets keep it that way.

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January 14th, 2006, 02:09 AM	#11
AutoFan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Sunshine State Posts: 938	I shot some of those low recoil, personal defense rounds in 40 once. They were much louder than anything else I had shot in that caliber. Even the guys working at the range counter wanted to know what I was shooting.

January 14th, 2006, 08:17 AM	#12
RSSZ Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,847	Terminal Ballistics 101....... Given a good HP. The faster the bullet,the faster expansion,the less penetration. The CORBON 165's at 1250fps will penetrate just about right,slow them down to 1050 and ???. The down side of the CORBON ammo is,too much recoil for double taps. Look at the CORBON ammo's HP cavity. It's huge. The bullets velocity is high. It all evens out. With the regular thick walled HP's out their,I would be suspect of overpenetration. The heavier(200&230gr)Hornady XTP's especially. At the slower short bbl velocities I suspect that they would penetrate very deeply. Not sure about how completely or how evenly they would expand. I feel that the consumer has no way to really tell what the bullets outta our weapons will do when entering human tissue. The tests that are done are,for the most part,done to sell ammo. The other info that is compiled(Hatcher,etc.) has a huge ammount of variables involved. In the end,all we can do is use our understanding of ballistics and pick the ammo that is powerful enough but not too powerful,accurate enough out of the intended firearm,cost effective to carry AND practice with and above all........ looks pretty sittin' in the cylinder or mag. ----------

February 8th, 2006, 12:17 AM	#15
rocky Senior Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MI Posts: 11,624	OK the fed. low recoil 45 ACP ammo I bought is 165 grn hydrashok. The box gives 1060 fps. and 410 ft-lb of energy. This doesn't seem low in #'s to me. Anyone else care to compare their ammo specs? (disclaimer: I understand this varies from gun to gun, but is a baseline)

February 27th, 2006, 10:04 AM	#18
Trebla Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 152	rocky: I have a Glock 23 and a Kahr K40 and I use Federal Premium Personal Defense 135gr. JHP Low Recoil .40 S&W ammo. It is accurate as hell, gives you great triple tap capabilities, and has great F.B.I. ballistics. http://www.angelfire.com/co3/markcolo/testing.html