Thanis

Same

I have really enjoyed my .22 LR Advantage Arms conversion for my Glock, but now I'm down to about 1200 rounds of .22 LR stockpiled. I'm having a hard time tracking down cheap HV .22 LR ammo for it. Could just be my area, may others have plenty of .22 LR on the shelves.

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lance22

More good luck, and good luck more often

Went into Wally World at 9:30 AM and they had 9mm and .40 WWB. I purchased my two boxes of .40 and left with a huge smile on my face. This is two weekends in a row that I have found ammo. Indeed things are turning around.

I hope to find .380 and .45 ACP. With things turning around I trust that all is not lost.

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joeblow

.380 is a popular caliber. It seems that the hardest calibers to find are the popular calibers for small concealable hand guns, like.380 and .38.

It's hard for me to believe that they were getting only one or two boxes of .380 in a month two years ago, or even one year ago. The ammo shelves at the local W used to be overflowing with all types of ammo back then and there always seemed to be people standing around buying.

I also made another visit to the Sportsmans Warehouse yesterday. Handgun ammo shelves bone dry. They also used to be knee deep in ammo. They did have some hand guns for sale though, and the last time I was in there they were almost all out of that too.

ExSoldier

I seriously doubt that. These are international businesses and the American consumer is not their sole customer. The fact that we can't get the product is proof that other customers are getting prioritized shipments under contract. State and federal agencies among them.

I read a statistic recently that the amount of firearms and ammo purchased by Americans each month since the election is enough to fully equip both the Indian and Pakistani military forces combined.

Stockpiling? Hoarding? In the face of what? Because the ultimate resolution here ... the end game so to speak is saying that the Government is going to replay the events of April 19th 1775 and the "Shot Heard 'Round The World." The result of that one shot was a whole LOT more shots and the American Revolution. To be fair (in the interests of history and the fact that I teach AP American Government) the Founding Fathers in their writings before and after the Revolution envisioned a similar conflict every 50 years or so. So by their standards, we are way overdue.

This panic buying in the face of such an earthshaking catastrophe reveals a willingness to fight, at least on the surface. But the reality is that the brainwashing of the public schools these last 40 years has set in rather deeply and that was the ultimate purpose for the encroaching liberalism in the curriculum.

Yeah, it's all well and good to say "They can have my GUN when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!"

But the reality is coldly terrifying to face an armed patrol of soldiers that kick down doors and shoulder M4s aimed at your FAMILY. Ask the lawfully armed citizens of New Orleans who faced EXACTLY that situation and all of them rolled over to show their bellies in the face of American troops who themselves complained that this was the USA not their last tour of Iraq, but they did their duty, followed orders and .... grabbed the guns after Hurricane Katrina. Sure laws were passed after that to prevent state authorities from doing it again, but that won't stop a federal grab.

I suspect that buried deep in the dark recesses of the American psyche and emotional angst, each red blooded American patriot is saying to him or herself: "If I have 5000 rounds with a one shot one kill ratio, that's at least two brigades I can take on before I fall valiantly...."

But that's not how this game is played in real life. There are also a ton of variables that we can't accurately speculate about like whether or not our own military will go along with communist police state rules that include cold blooded murder of our own citizens and internment camps. I think if you want to see how this might REALLY break out you should read this trilogy of books.

Enemies Foreign and Domestic Web Site

Written by a friend of mine, a former Beirut era Navy SEAL, I really think this is the future. Unfortunately. I'm mentioned in the acknowledgments of the third book. My friend, the author was chortling when we spoke on the phone and he congratulated me on making the official DHS "Enemies" list. That's not too far off the mark, but I'm proud to say that I made it on my own by my Second Amendment and political activism.

Nothing made in Hollywood could ever really touch the horror of what might be in store for us and I'm guessing that the average "Joe" is clueless and might be better for that, I dunno.

There will also be a lot of folks who will prattle about this post and the ravings of a conspiracy theorist but I think that the moves made by the President recently have brought about similar thoughts in the minds of many including inside his own party. Think Republicans alone are behind this ammo drought? Look at the key positions held in his administration. Ever key post is held by a virulent and rabid anti-gun individual and so are most all of their subordinates.

Like folks who live here in the middle of Hurricane Alley (South Florida) other Americans nationwide are getting ready, for ..... something. Here is an example on another forum (FREE REPUBLIC) where there is a continuing thread on the "New Survivalism" and it has nearly 10,000 posts already.

Is Recession Preparing a New Breed of Survivalist? [Survival Today - an On going Thread #2]

So, if you think this way, you're not alone. If you think the folks who think this way are nuts, you're not prepared to weather a storm; be it hurricane or political. What do the SHEEP call the whackos when the proverbial SHTF? Answer: PREPARED.

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Thanis

I did not state it was not popular. But I would maintain the 9mm (and most likely 40 S&W, .38 Spl, and .45 ACP) are more commonly sold.

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Thanis

I don't believe the conspiracy component to what I stated. I do believe there is a concern that at some point the demand will drop, as peope stop stockpiling / hording. This "some point" is hard to judge, and manufacturers are hesitant to increase production capacity to meet 100% of the current demand.

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dldeuce

I've seen it stated that manufacturing has kept steady. I've seen it asserted that the retailers are receiving the same amounts of ammunition coming from this steady manufacturing. Ammo is certainly in high demand, and some people are definitely hoarding. It's a reasonable to assume demand is driving the shortage, and plenty of people are. I've read a few statements that seem to be believable taken at face value.

However, I haven't seen it shown that any of this is in fact true. I would definitely like to see facts about how much ammo has been produced, how much the distributors received, and how much of it was sold to individual consumers at retail stores. All we know for sure is that there's still no ammo on the shelves.

joeblow

OK, I did just that today. I asked the man at Walmart about .380. He said they are now very hard to get and he doesn't know why but he's heard different rumors, like manufacturers holding back anticipating big price increases or new ammo taxes. He said they haven't received any .380's in a few months and even then it was "just a handful".

They're trying to blame this on us. They say we're hording ammo. Nope. They ain't making it, they ain't delivering it.

joeblow

"Yeah, it's all well and good to say "They can have my GUN when they pry it from my cold dead fingers!"

But the reality is coldly terrifying to face an armed patrol of soldiers that kick down doors and shoulder M4s aimed at your FAMILY. Ask the lawfully armed citizens of New Orleans who faced EXACTLY that situation and all of them rolled over to show their bellies in the face of American troops who themselves complained that this was the USA..."


True, too true. Words, just empty words.

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Faitmaker

Dayton here. I can't remember the last time I saw 9mm at a Walmart. Went today and couldn't believe the empty shelves. Plenty of shotgun shells but I didn't see pistol ammo anywhere for anything. Thank god, I reload.

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