9mm ammo question - Page 2

DirksterG30 · February 23rd, 2006, 02:43 PM

I carry a CZ P-01 loaded with 147gr. Golden Sabers. I don't have any problems carrying a 9mm, as I know that if I do my part (shot placement) the ammo I've selected will do its part as well as any other service caliber.

As for this little blurb from the Chuck Hawks website:

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Now it is time to impart some crucial information: NEVER use 147 grain ammo in a 9mm pistol! There was a stupid fad for 147 grain hollowpoints a few years ago, and many were suckered into buying these weak, worthless and malfunction-prone rounds. I don't care what you've heard: never use any 9mm hollowpoint heavier than 125 grains. 147 grain hollowpoints often jam in many popular 9mm guns like the Browning Hi-Power, SIG, Beretta 92, S&W and Glock. Ignore the gun magazine hype and stick to what works. If you want to gamble, go to Reno. Don't gamble with your life. 147 grain ammo sucks.

Weak? - from the info I've seen, 147gr. ammo penetrates as much as, if not more than the lighter weights. Worthless? - not sure what he's getting at there. Malfunction-prone? Not in the pistols we have in my house; they feed 147gr. as well as any other bullet weight I've tried. I'd like to know where he got this info from, and why are the rounds he recommends so good - he doesn't list any info (penetration, expansion, actual street results...). That section seems to be his personal opinion.

ka0azs · February 23rd, 2006, 03:42 PM

Winchester Silvertips, 115gr JHP's as primary, with Federal 9BP 115gr JHP's as alternate load if I can't find ST's.

Absolute reliable function in my Browning

Good ratings from both the "morgue monsters" and the "jello junkies"

Widely available, and relatively inexpensive as premium defensive ammo goes.

Easily replicated for practice with reloads or factory 115gr FMJ's

Jeffg330 · February 23rd, 2006, 04:22 PM

115grn speer gold dot's here.low flash great accuracy

F350 · February 23rd, 2006, 04:42 PM

Currently I carry Black Talons in everything but a buddy with an FFL is going to start stocking Double Tap ammo; so to help him get his initial quantity up for the discount/free shipping I just ordered 150 rounds each; 124gr Gold Dots for the 9mm, 180gr Gold Dots for the 10mm; 230gr Gold Dots for the .45. All of Double Tap’s ammo is loaded to higher velocities than you will find just about anywhere.

Stetson · February 23rd, 2006, 07:53 PM

147 wwb hollow points.I like sub sonic.

Rob72 · February 24th, 2006, 01:19 PM

124/115 grain Corbon JHPs, in a BHP or STI BLS. 147s are grossly inconsistant expanders, they will penetrate, but so will ball(for less money!). 147 gr HydraShoks did not expand in 37 core-body hits from an MP-5 (+/- 10" barrel, no gas-bleed to lower energy) from one local BG vs LE confrontation report I got to see, some years ago(and in numerous other Federal and local LE shootings). Good enough to make me stay away.

"Stopping" is totally situational/individual dependant, and not necessarily consistent with expansion, or lack of. Expansion=traumatic impact, regardless of the degree of that effect on the individual . You increase the likelyhood of stopping an individual by increasing the likelyhood of expansion. Nothing is 100%, "You pays you money, you takes your chances....".

I'll play the better odds in favor of expansion(shot placement is my job, not the bullet's)- lower to midweight bullet, with high velocity.

Nickle · February 24th, 2006, 04:57 PM

A 10 rounder full of MagTech's, light JHP's, possibly Guardian Gold.

Back up mag is a 15 rounder, handloads made with Rem 115 JHP's. Shot out of a Glock 19.

'75scout · February 24th, 2006, 07:55 PM

After the Box-O-Truth style expansion test I conducted today on Federal 124 grain Hydrashoks I plan on carrying them when I get my CHL. They are very accurate and expanded consistently out of my GLOCK 26.

srfl · February 24th, 2006, 08:07 PM

Standard velocity Speer 124 grain Gold Dot JHP's.

gregarat · February 24th, 2006, 10:45 PM

Corbon 115 grain +P JHP.

February 23rd, 2006, 03:42 PM	#12
ka0azs Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Dayton Ohio Posts: 103	Winchester Silvertips, 115gr JHP's as primary, with Federal 9BP 115gr JHP's as alternate load if I can't find ST's. Absolute reliable function in my Browning Good ratings from both the "morgue monsters" and the "jello junkies" Widely available, and relatively inexpensive as premium defensive ammo goes. Easily replicated for practice with reloads or factory 115gr FMJ's __________________ Randy NRA Life Member

February 24th, 2006, 08:07 PM	#19
srfl Senior Moderator Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: FL Posts: 6,432	Standard velocity Speer 124 grain Gold Dot JHP's. __________________ USAF: Loving Our Obscene Amenities Since 1947

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February 23rd, 2006, 04:22 PM	#13
Jeffg330 Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: texas Posts: 27	115grn speer gold dot's here.low flash great accuracy

February 23rd, 2006, 04:42 PM	#14
F350 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Columbia, MO area Posts: 530	Currently I carry Black Talons in everything but a buddy with an FFL is going to start stocking Double Tap ammo; so to help him get his initial quantity up for the discount/free shipping I just ordered 150 rounds each; 124gr Gold Dots for the 9mm, 180gr Gold Dots for the 10mm; 230gr Gold Dots for the .45. All of Double Tap’s ammo is loaded to higher velocities than you will find just about anywhere.

February 23rd, 2006, 07:53 PM	#15
Stetson Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Augusta,Maine Posts: 883	147 wwb hollow points.I like sub sonic.

February 24th, 2006, 01:19 PM	#16
Rob72 VIP Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: OKC, OK Posts: 3,043	124/115 grain Corbon JHPs, in a BHP or STI BLS. 147s are grossly inconsistant expanders, they will penetrate, but so will ball(for less money!). 147 gr HydraShoks did not expand in 37 core-body hits from an MP-5 (+/- 10" barrel, no gas-bleed to lower energy) from one local BG vs LE confrontation report I got to see, some years ago(and in numerous other Federal and local LE shootings). Good enough to make me stay away. "Stopping" is totally situational/individual dependant, and not necessarily consistent with expansion, or lack of. Expansion=traumatic impact, regardless of the degree of that effect on the individual . You increase the likelyhood of stopping an individual by increasing the likelyhood of expansion. Nothing is 100%, "You pays you money, you takes your chances....". I'll play the better odds in favor of expansion(shot placement is my job, not the bullet's)- lower to midweight bullet, with high velocity.

February 24th, 2006, 04:57 PM	#17
Nickle Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Vermont Posts: 26	A 10 rounder full of MagTech's, light JHP's, possibly Guardian Gold. Back up mag is a 15 rounder, handloads made with Rem 115 JHP's. Shot out of a Glock 19.

February 24th, 2006, 07:55 PM	#18
'75scout Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,165	After the Box-O-Truth style expansion test I conducted today on Federal 124 grain Hydrashoks I plan on carrying them when I get my CHL. They are very accurate and expanded consistently out of my GLOCK 26.

February 24th, 2006, 10:45 PM	#20
gregarat Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Central NYS Posts: 856	Corbon 115 grain +P JHP.