9mm ammo question - Page 3

uudl · February 24th, 2006, 11:12 PM

Speer 124gr +P Gold Dots out of a Kahr MK9.

paknheat · February 24th, 2006, 11:25 PM

When I carry a 9mm iit usually has Cor-Bon 115 gn, Or the 115gn Speer GDHP. The reason the 147 gn hp. get such a bad rep. is due to their poor performance in the Miami shootout in '86. The FBI actually had that round created in hope of duplicating their 38sp "FBI" load performance. They found that loading them Sub-Sonic made for better accuracy. But how they worked in the field was a different story. I have loaded 147 gn hp to a +p level for a friend's carbine , and the results were impressive.

ispcapt · February 25th, 2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by paknheat

The reason the 147 gn hp. get such a bad rep. is due to their poor performance in the Miami shootout in '86.

The rd used in the Miami shooting was the 115 gr W-W Silvertip. We had used the same rd in the early 80s for just a few months when we pulled it. During a shooting had a situation where the Silvertip failed to penetrate deep enough. When the FBI looked at going to the 115 gr ST we explained what our feelings were about it. The FBI said at the time that their shootings were different than ours and they were wanting rapid expansion type rd. In 1986 they got the same results. Fortunately for us it didn't cost us the lives of any of our people.

paknheat · February 25th, 2006, 01:52 PM

Not to get off topic, but how did they mean their shootings were different? Poor performance is poor performance.

paknheat · February 26th, 2006, 09:07 PM

ispcapt, appreciate the correction , I had my info mixed up. I was thinking of two different reports, and melded them into one. my bad.

the-fly · February 26th, 2006, 11:25 PM

G26 with Federal HST 147gr. Based on my personal tests (link to follow) and some other people's testing, i feel this is a wicked round.

http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-2.html

'75scout · February 27th, 2006, 12:07 AM

Nice link, I might need to do a test with wet phonebooks some time soon. I'm trying to find the best JHP aswell and I like to test and see the result myself. Just gives me another reason to go shooting.

AutoFan · February 27th, 2006, 01:28 AM

124 Gold Dots, not +P, so I can practice with 124 CCI/Speer/Lawman that will impact and recoil the same.

roadrash · March 3rd, 2006, 07:13 PM

I use the 147gr. Federal HST load also.

CLASS3NH · March 3rd, 2006, 07:59 PM

I dunno, but I've carried the 147 gr Hydra shoks, winchester subsonics, and the Geco B A T bullet (had a case of em for almost 25 yrs now.. and I'm NOT givin any out LOL....)
also the 125 gr JHP works fine

February 26th, 2006, 11:25 PM	#26
the-fly Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 81	G26 with Federal HST 147gr. Based on my personal tests (link to follow) and some other people's testing, i feel this is a wicked round. http://www.btfh.net/shoot/bullet-test-2.html __________________ Driver carries less then $20 of remorse.

March 3rd, 2006, 07:59 PM	#30
CLASS3NH VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Southern New Hampshire Posts: 2,565	I dunno, but I've carried the 147 gr Hydra shoks, winchester subsonics, and the Geco B A T bullet (had a case of em for almost 25 yrs now.. and I'm NOT givin any out LOL....) also the 125 gr JHP works fine __________________ Why Waltz when you can Rock-N-Roll

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February 24th, 2006, 11:12 PM	#21
uudl Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Kalifornia Posts: 93	Speer 124gr +P Gold Dots out of a Kahr MK9.

February 24th, 2006, 11:25 PM	#22
paknheat Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 248	When I carry a 9mm iit usually has Cor-Bon 115 gn, Or the 115gn Speer GDHP. The reason the 147 gn hp. get such a bad rep. is due to their poor performance in the Miami shootout in '86. The FBI actually had that round created in hope of duplicating their 38sp "FBI" load performance. They found that loading them Sub-Sonic made for better accuracy. But how they worked in the field was a different story. I have loaded 147 gn hp to a +p level for a friend's carbine , and the results were impressive.

February 25th, 2006, 01:52 PM	#24
paknheat Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 248	Not to get off topic, but how did they mean their shootings were different? Poor performance is poor performance.

February 26th, 2006, 09:07 PM	#25
paknheat Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 248	ispcapt, appreciate the correction , I had my info mixed up. I was thinking of two different reports, and melded them into one. my bad.

February 27th, 2006, 12:07 AM	#27
'75scout Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Texas Posts: 1,165	Nice link, I might need to do a test with wet phonebooks some time soon. I'm trying to find the best JHP aswell and I like to test and see the result myself. Just gives me another reason to go shooting.

February 27th, 2006, 01:28 AM	#28
AutoFan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Sunshine State Posts: 945	124 Gold Dots, not +P, so I can practice with 124 CCI/Speer/Lawman that will impact and recoil the same.

March 3rd, 2006, 07:13 PM	#29
roadrash Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Western New York Posts: 109	I use the 147gr. Federal HST load also.