Dave James

This ammo company seems to bring up more disagreements than most,, it may work, it may not. But people I respect is Doc Roberts and David Difaballo, say the ammo is worthless, so I'll go with that.

Saw the clip where they hunted the hog with the 32NAA,he talks the whole time about having 2 rounds, and when he shoots ,, he shoots twice,yet a little later when he's blow'n smoke on how great it is ,he pops the mag and low and behold theres a bullet in it.. I have shot my fair share of hogs,and I just don't believe ES ammo works

Bud White

I call BS

Tom357

I think you mean David Difabio, don't you? A friend had some of the ES 9mm, and it looked to me like a generic JHP that someone had cut with one of those tools that you use to score wedges around the nose of the bullet. It was unremarkable to shoot, and did no more damage than my GD's, with less consistent expansion.

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soflasmg

One look at the website and it looks like Brokeback Mountain for the tactical set.

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Tangle

+1 on that!

Rob72

A whole new take on, "getting on the stack..." Smiling Willies And Trudies?

Tangle

Then again... (from another board having the same preponderance of the evidence, so to speak.)

[i]"Extreme Shock's reply(from the president himself):

That's no problem. I read the boards from time to time and get a
chuckle out of what they say, I can tell that most all the critics have
never tried the ammo. But first off users are
Warrenton Training Center
Dutch Air Marshals
Dutch Military and Spec Forces
CSX Railroad CTT
Miami Dade
Miami Dade Int Airport
UAE Counter Terrorist Team
Springfield Mo tact team and police force, these are the ones that
stick out in my mind
12-million rounds 5.56 12 million rounds 9-mm to overseas allies
Just sold 9 million bullets to another ammo company to be delivered
over a 2 year period,
We will be supplying Ruag of Germany bullets in 308 & 7mm for their
premium hunting round, small amount of only 4 million or so.
Being adopted by
Scotsdale AZ police dept.
FBI
Being tested by Abui Dabhi, French, German Spec Forces.
we were picked up by RSR, Sports South, ArmChar, Elliott Bros at the
shot show this year.

It is a powder metal bullet with greater penetration than lead ever
thought about because the core is made out of tungsten powder metal
enclosed in a copper jacket. It is designed to fragment into millions
of pieces of powder metal dust once inside the soft target. It has the
ability to penetrate through thick hide, bone and get into the fluid
area which is what makes a bullet either fragment or expand if it is a
lead bullet. When it fragments, it causes so much damage that it shocks
the central nervous system and shuts it down from overload. Where as a
lead bullet has to have penetration to get to the organs and hopefully
then, maybe if the shot is well placed, do some or enough damage to
stop the guy. We are able to do it through massive damage and shock,
much faster than a lead bullet can. So for us shot placement is not as
critical as with a lead bullet.

We use 10 % gel to get a base line as to what a bullet will do, but
before we sign off on it, we go into the field and kill several hogs
and deer, wild dogs, etc. open them up and see the results. when I hear
a guy say that he shot it into wet phone books, I laugh or the lab that
says we shot it into gel and only got 7 in of penetration so we can't
recommend this as a self defense round I roll my eyes back in my head
and laugh in disgust. My response to that group is yes, but did you get
your hands bloody. Their answer is always we can't go hunting everytime
we want to test a bullet. We have to have a standard. Which is ok for a
starting point especially for a lead bullet cause with lead it always
has to do with penetration. But for our bullet it CAN NOT tell you what
the final result will be unless you kill game. For this stance we have
been criticized of being inhumane. But quite frankly I don't really
care what it does in wet phone books or gel blocks setting on a bench.
What I want to know is what is it going to do to a 400 lb mad fighting
boar. Now if it takes him down with one shot of a sub caliber pistol
then I will know what it will do in a 250 lb attacker.
If you have any more questions please feel free to give me a call.
jm
President"[\i]

Dave James

Yep, TOM,,, suffered a few head blows spelling is bad..

ppro

I would think that (regardless of my personnal predispositions) there is application for this ammunition and that is exactly why many departments and agencies are using it. Read: APPLICATION

This does not however mean that it is a particularly good choice for my application, ....or yours.

Within the confines of it's best intended use....it may well be hard to beat.....and if you look at some of the listed users of this round, it should become partly or somewhat clear why they use it.

But again, judge for yourself what is best for your own application, and certainly don't be afraid to do copious quantities or research to determine what may or may not work best for you......as mileage certainly may vary, according to your needs.

srfl

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