124+P vs. 147 vs. 147+P HST - Page 2

johnsonabq · July 4th, 2009, 12:49 PM

Here are a couple of tests you might want to check out. They've make the rounds here but still apply.

Bullet results after firing

Pistol Cartridges (9x19mm Luger)

AZ Desertrat · July 5th, 2009, 03:29 PM

I just think the 124gr. slug in a 9mm is a good "middle ground" cartridge and if not mistaken the original weight for which the 9mm was designed.

old grunt · July 5th, 2009, 04:54 PM

I Respect Bikers logic! My old job had us carry 147gr. JHP made by Federal. THAT was the duty round..like it or lump it. Since I left I'll carry 115 Silvertips in my Glock ,but would go with the 124+P Gold Dots that NYPD(they FINALLY got it right..load-wise!!

)has authorized for a few years now also. The new FBI 9mm load is(drum-roll please..)a Winchester Ranger 147 BONDED JHP. They said it's the
S%*T !! Go figure!!

Saltcreek · July 11th, 2009, 10:55 PM

Let's go to the "way-back machine" for a trip to the past. When the 147 really got its start, it was because the gooberment guys needed a heavier bullet at a subsonic velocity that worked great with sound supessed automatic weapons because there was no supersonic crack. Well hey! - if the super secret gooberment guys used them, they must be great right? Wrong! They used them because they were purpose built, and even if not perfect, they could shoot a whole bunch out of their supressed squirt guns. However, your local law enforcement and you at home are not running around with supressed weapons and are not resricted to subsonic underperforming rounds. But the fad was started, but faded when real world results got good people hurt. But the myth remains.

homepcmd · July 12th, 2009, 06:43 PM

Ammo today is NOT like ammo of yesterday.

There is better and more "science" and "art" incorporated into each design. Consider the technology for short barrel... and both different materials plus specific design criteria make for different results.

Whatever you do use... YOU have to trust it.

That way you do what YOU need to do. If you don't trust it... you may hesitate (and second guess yourself when using it).

That would be a very bad thing.

Trust your training... your skills... your equipment...

johnsonabq · July 12th, 2009, 09:23 PM

If you don't account for the advances in technology then why carry hollow points in 9mm at all. Once upon a time they were quite all ineffective in general. But not now. The technology has advanced "Leaps and Bounds" since then. I only even continue this discussion because I feel your choice of ammo is more important in 9mm than say .45. Of course this is all secondary to the ability to put your shots where they need to be. Hell... if you can place your shots COM every time... well then use what you want.

View Poll Results: HST 9mm from 3" barrel
124+P	42	60.87%
147+P	8	11.59%
147	18	26.09%
other-post	1	1.45%
Voters: 69. You may not vote on this poll

July 4th, 2009, 12:49 PM	#11
johnsonabq Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 483	Here are a couple of tests you might want to check out. They've make the rounds here but still apply. Bullet results after firing Pistol Cartridges (9x19mm Luger) __________________ Jeff NRA Member I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose Freewill! Kimber Ultra Carry II, Glock G23 & G36, Kahr PM9, Winchester 1300 Defender 12gauge pump (my favorite but hard to hide)

July 5th, 2009, 03:29 PM	#12
AZ Desertrat Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Tolleson, AZ Posts: 284	I just think the 124gr. slug in a 9mm is a good "middle ground" cartridge and if not mistaken the original weight for which the 9mm was designed. __________________ "Never advance cheerfully on your late opponent without reloading. You may have used your last round, and he may not be properly dead and still spiteful." Major Hugh Pollard, 1920 Glock 19, 20. FNP9, Taurus 85UL, Beretta 92 S&W M29, 60, 66, 686, 10, 36, 40, 42, 64, Ruger Single Six

July 5th, 2009, 04:54 PM	#13
old grunt Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Georgia Posts: 602	I Respect Bikers logic! My old job had us carry 147gr. JHP made by Federal. THAT was the duty round..like it or lump it. Since I left I'll carry 115 Silvertips in my Glock ,but would go with the 124+P Gold Dots that NYPD(they FINALLY got it right..load-wise!!)has authorized for a few years now also. The new FBI 9mm load is(drum-roll please..)a Winchester Ranger 147 BONDED JHP. They said it's the S%T !! Go figure!! __________________ "We deal in lead friend">Steve McQueen The Magnificent Seven* 82d Abn(1983-86)OIF 2007-08 Glock 19&26/ Colt Gov't & OM Retired NYS LEO / NRA Life Member Palin 2012......GO SARAH !! "no kidding,gun slinging,spurs hitting the floor"

July 11th, 2009, 10:55 PM	#14
Saltcreek New Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Circleville, Ohio, USA Posts: 6	Let's go to the "way-back machine" for a trip to the past. When the 147 really got its start, it was because the gooberment guys needed a heavier bullet at a subsonic velocity that worked great with sound supessed automatic weapons because there was no supersonic crack. Well hey! - if the super secret gooberment guys used them, they must be great right? Wrong! They used them because they were purpose built, and even if not perfect, they could shoot a whole bunch out of their supressed squirt guns. However, your local law enforcement and you at home are not running around with supressed weapons and are not resricted to subsonic underperforming rounds. But the fad was started, but faded when real world results got good people hurt. But the myth remains. __________________ Help your own self - the Government is busy takin' care of itself!

July 12th, 2009, 06:43 PM	#15
homepcmd Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 88	Ammo today is NOT like ammo of yesterday. There is better and more "science" and "art" incorporated into each design. Consider the technology for short barrel... and both different materials plus specific design criteria make for different results. Whatever you do use... YOU have to trust it. That way you do what YOU need to do. If you don't trust it... you may hesitate (and second guess yourself when using it). That would be a very bad thing. Trust your training... your skills... your equipment... __________________ “We sleep safely in our beds because rough men stand ready in the night to visit violence on those who would do us harm” - George Orwell

July 12th, 2009, 09:23 PM	#16
johnsonabq Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Albuquerque, NM Posts: 483	If you don't account for the advances in technology then why carry hollow points in 9mm at all. Once upon a time they were quite all ineffective in general. But not now. The technology has advanced "Leaps and Bounds" since then. I only even continue this discussion because I feel your choice of ammo is more important in 9mm than say .45. Of course this is all secondary to the ability to put your shots where they need to be. Hell... if you can place your shots COM every time... well then use what you want. __________________ Jeff NRA Member I will choose a path that's clear, I will choose Freewill! Kimber Ultra Carry II, Glock G23 & G36, Kahr PM9, Winchester 1300 Defender 12gauge pump (my favorite but hard to hide)

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