10thmtn

ExSoldier - Interesting. I wonder how JAG approved the use of expanding bullets for SOF?

I wasn't referring to body armor, so much as the need to penetrate cover. One of the reasons the military has stayed with FMJ for general use - in addition to the legalities.

Blademan - I have no doubt that a light and fast bullet (which means high kinetic energy) can penetrate light sheet steel and auto glass. My concerns are more related to penetrating flesh and bone (forearms) which starts the bullet fragmentation process, and then still needing to penetrate to the vitals in the chest cavity.

Maybe a block of clay behind another block of clay, with a few inches of space between?

Edit - One other question...have either of you taken one of these bullets apart? Not sure if you've read through this whole thread, but another member did cut one open. Instead of exotic "blended metals" it appears to be a rather ordinary JSP, with much of the lead removed and replaced by a light plastic plug. Thus an ultralight and ultrafast bullet. Whether these bullets can work or not, I really don't want to give $2 per round to a bunch of charlatans.

If you do cut one open, I'm sure we would be interested to see what you find - and your reaction. Maybe they make different kinds of bullets - I don't know. Just seems fishy to me.

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OD

Thank you Sir.

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shooterX

This was completely unnecessary, has nothing to do whether your like the load or not, we are trying to get to the facts regarding this ammo.

10thmtn

Can you, or anyone, actually post a link to the articles? I just spent a few minutes searching online, and came up with nothing other than the reference on the RBCD website. They list the articles, but no links.

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Blademan21

ExSoldier

Some years back a local market had pork ribs on sale. I picked up 20lbs and headed to the range. RBCD 90gr 45acp made hamburger meat out of the ribs. Even after putting 2-3 layers of rib slabs on top of each other. No problem what so ever in penetrating bone. RBCD is perhaps not for everyone,but I am a convert.

vn6869

OK OK Your mama

sorry couldn't resist , , ,

ExSoldier

Ah I do have a caveat. I am told that RBCD has a different load they sell to "civilians" than the one they sell to the military. Civilians do not have access to the military loads. So if one of you active duty guys can get your armorer or chain of command to make an "off the shelf buy" thru channels for experimentation it's something you might consider. When I was a G4 guy on active duty I did this all the time for other products, no problems. Part of getting the mission accomplished.

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10thmtn

Both the "civilian" and the "military" loads are listed on their website as "TFSP" (Total Fragmenting Soft Point). One could presume they are very similar?

I think this analysis, referenced in the original post, really says it all.

LeMas/RBCD Ammunition Analysis - M4Carbine.net Forums

If you're willing to give your business to folks who "embellish" the truth, go right ahead.

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rhinokrk

two things

First, why would a quality product need to be marketed with a blatant lie, a better approach would be "We use modern nylon technology to make our ammo faster and hard hitting".

Second, why would a PD pick any type of ammo for issue? Two words "Lowest Bid". Plus I've yet to see any first hand knowledge of any PD using it.

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