Hornady Critical Defense Rounds--9mm - Page 2

cmb · July 23rd, 2009, 10:39 AM

I use the xtp bullet, loaded in a fiocchi case, they have been good to me, 115 grains feed very well in my gun and from those who are published I have read I have gatherd that anything above 125 grains in 9mm isn't as effective, and some agancies have gone down to 124 +P or +P+... the fiocchi rounds did weel in my personal tests and I ordered them from Cabela's had to wait about a month... I have enough now for a while...

newhunter1 · July 23rd, 2009, 11:18 AM

As it was, I found this gun and bought it but did not think about securing any 9mm rounds off the net. Poor planning on my part, however the store that I was at had hundreds of boxes of 9mm in various loads. I thought it would be there when I picked up the pistol...I was wrong and frustrated to say the least.

So, since that was all they had and it was from a brand that was well known I bought it thinking that it was better than nothing.

With that said, my wife however loves my .45 and it has 185 JHP Remington Sabre rounds. I also have for the .45 Winchester 230 JHP for it as well.

Not to mention that I bought my wife a 20 ga with buckshot on Mother's Day this year.

She was, shall we say, not expecting that.

As far as SD or HD, I believe I have all the basics covered.

Jang, I do appreciate the advice...I was having a bad day yesterday.

Janq · July 23rd, 2009, 01:52 PM

No worries NH...It ain't like I myself haven't had a bad day a time or ten. :p

My view and motive is only to help you in best protecting your loved ones and self.
Lord knows we have enough laws and well meaning people who wish to do opposite including active denial of our rights. We help each other here best we can to do or think of things better. :)

Live long and prosper.

- Janq

forestranger · July 23rd, 2009, 02:40 PM

Chronograph results from another forum out of Kahr PM9 =972fps.

taseal · July 23rd, 2009, 11:52 PM

I wonder if their argument is correct.. so if you shoot a JHP at a person with heavy clothing, the bullet will not expand because the cavitiy gets filled with the clothing material?

Janq · July 24th, 2009, 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by taseal

I wonder if their argument is correct.. so if you shoot a JHP at a person with heavy clothing, the bullet will not expand because the cavitiy gets filled with the clothing material?

Not all and not as a given.
Some JHP bullets and with some designs by some manufacturers as made from some materials.

- Janq

taseal · July 24th, 2009, 12:20 AM

Here is a Hornady video about this cartridge, you'll see how they talk about that they weren't trying to meet FBI 12" mins, but to make an effective bullet that fully expands

YouTube - Hornady Critical Defense ammunition

10thmtn · July 24th, 2009, 05:06 PM

Here's an interesting gel test. I carry Federal 124 gr 9mm +P EFMJ in my Glock 26, while my wife's LCP has the .380 Hornady Critical Defense alternating with FMJ-Flat Points. Yes, all tested for feeding.

GoldenLoki.com

I like the concept of a non-JHP expanding bullet. No hollow cavity to get plugged, wrapped, or crushed. And if these rounds fail to expand for whatever reason, you still have a bit of a blunt tip (more so with EFMJ) which causes more tissue damage than a crushed JHP, which tends to act like ball.

taseal · July 24th, 2009, 08:57 PM

I just wish they offered +P 120 gr plus

I'm the guy who always says its not the bullet, but the shot placement, but i'd like to at least have the most power I can out of that bullet with a +P lol

xdcolorado · August 8th, 2009, 06:30 AM

back to the OP! Yes, I have these rounds in a 9mm 115gr. I was able to purchase 60 rounds of it (they only had 3 boxes), I fired 45 rounds and kept 15 for one mag. My other mag is loaded with Federal LE JHP 147gr. I was low and needed ammo, you take what you can get.

As for hte Critical Defense ammo? In my Cougar 8000, no FTF, no FTE and very accurate - about as good as the Federal.

July 23rd, 2009, 01:52 PM	#13
Janq VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Posts: 4,536	No worries NH...It ain't like I myself haven't had a bad day a time or ten. :p My view and motive is only to help you in best protecting your loved ones and self. Lord knows we have enough laws and well meaning people who wish to do opposite including active denial of our rights. We help each other here best we can to do or think of things better. :) Live long and prosper. - Janq __________________ "Killers who are not deterred by laws against murder are not going to be deterred by laws against guns. " - Robert A. Levy Monday, March 12, 2007 -- Op Ed -- The Washington Post

July 24th, 2009, 05:06 PM	#18
10thmtn Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: USA Posts: 664	Here's an interesting gel test. I carry Federal 124 gr 9mm +P EFMJ in my Glock 26, while my wife's LCP has the .380 Hornady Critical Defense alternating with FMJ-Flat Points. Yes, all tested for feeding. GoldenLoki.com I like the concept of a non-JHP expanding bullet. No hollow cavity to get plugged, wrapped, or crushed. And if these rounds fail to expand for whatever reason, you still have a bit of a blunt tip (more so with EFMJ) which causes more tissue damage than a crushed JHP, which tends to act like ball. __________________ The People ARE the Militia, and have a DUTY (not just a right) to be both armed and proficient in the use of said arms. Ex-Army officer; Hurricane Andrew Relief, FL, 1992; Operation Restore Hope, Somalia, 1993 NRA Life Member; Range Safety Officer Glock 26, CT Laserguard, Smartcarry

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July 23rd, 2009, 10:39 AM	#11
cmb Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: florida Posts: 371	I use the xtp bullet, loaded in a fiocchi case, they have been good to me, 115 grains feed very well in my gun and from those who are published I have read I have gatherd that anything above 125 grains in 9mm isn't as effective, and some agancies have gone down to 124 +P or +P+... the fiocchi rounds did weel in my personal tests and I ordered them from Cabela's had to wait about a month... I have enough now for a while...

July 23rd, 2009, 11:18 AM	#12
newhunter1 Member Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Alton, IL Posts: 52	As it was, I found this gun and bought it but did not think about securing any 9mm rounds off the net. Poor planning on my part, however the store that I was at had hundreds of boxes of 9mm in various loads. I thought it would be there when I picked up the pistol...I was wrong and frustrated to say the least. So, since that was all they had and it was from a brand that was well known I bought it thinking that it was better than nothing. With that said, my wife however loves my .45 and it has 185 JHP Remington Sabre rounds. I also have for the .45 Winchester 230 JHP for it as well. Not to mention that I bought my wife a 20 ga with buckshot on Mother's Day this year. She was, shall we say, not expecting that. As far as SD or HD, I believe I have all the basics covered. Jang, I do appreciate the advice...I was having a bad day yesterday.

July 23rd, 2009, 02:40 PM	#14
forestranger Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: North Carolina Posts: 225	Chronograph results from another forum out of Kahr PM9 =972fps.

July 23rd, 2009, 11:52 PM	#15
taseal Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 291	I wonder if their argument is correct.. so if you shoot a JHP at a person with heavy clothing, the bullet will not expand because the cavitiy gets filled with the clothing material?

July 24th, 2009, 12:20 AM	#17
taseal Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 291	Here is a Hornady video about this cartridge, you'll see how they talk about that they weren't trying to meet FBI 12" mins, but to make an effective bullet that fully expands YouTube - Hornady Critical Defense ammunition

July 24th, 2009, 08:57 PM	#19
taseal Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 291	I just wish they offered +P 120 gr plus I'm the guy who always says its not the bullet, but the shot placement, but i'd like to at least have the most power I can out of that bullet with a +P lol

August 8th, 2009, 06:30 AM	#20
xdcolorado New Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: USA Posts: 11	back to the OP! Yes, I have these rounds in a 9mm 115gr. I was able to purchase 60 rounds of it (they only had 3 boxes), I fired 45 rounds and kept 15 for one mag. My other mag is loaded with Federal LE JHP 147gr. I was low and needed ammo, you take what you can get. As for hte Critical Defense ammo? In my Cougar 8000, no FTF, no FTE and very accurate - about as good as the Federal.