W-W White box Personal Defense - Page 3

GoldenSaber · September 5th, 2009, 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorlk

Oh, not by a long shot. Shooters have been doing this for the 40+ years I have been shooting, at least. It's just now that ...

(1) there are more choices to be snobbish over;
(2) there are more shooters to be snobbish;
(3) Now everyone can be an instant snob via the internet, instead of just the magazine writers.

While true, (and I basically agree with this poster and the others) in my opinion there is much better ammo out there, especially if your life depends on it. Yes, the WWB HP will shoot just fine. Again, if your life depends on it, why not buy 2 boxes of a better premium ammo? One to try and the other to carry if you like it. Talking about SD ammo like it is range ammo seems kind of silly to me unless your intent is to practice with something more in line with what you'll carry. How many "value" rounds does someone plan on shooting in a confrontation and how many encounters are you going to have? You may only have one chance in a life and death situation and I am going with the best I can buy. There is a reason the FBI evaluates and tests advances in ammo design and technology, because their agents life depends on it when poo poo hits the fan. As such, they change when something better comes along. A lead ball fired from a Springfield Musket flies through the air and can kill you. Why don't we still use those? For the same reason people today carry modern Hollow Point ammunition of today over the turn of the century "express" hollow points. The technology of the ammunition today is better and affords you the chance to carry the best man can create at this point in time.

Just my 2 worthless "snobbish" cents.

Majorlk · September 5th, 2009, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenSaber

Yes, the WWB HP will shoot just fine. Again, if your life depends on it, why not buy 2 boxes of a better premium ammo? One to try and the other to carry if you like it.

I don't think anyone is pushing the WWB HP as the preferred SD round, just that there's nothing intrinsically wrong with it; if that is what you can get/afford, then go with it. If one wants to use one of the so-called high performance rounds, then there's nothing wrong with that, either.

Personally, I think that when you have reached a particular level of performance in SD ammo in general, all the choices come down to

- everyone else is using it
- it's what's on the shelf
- the box says it's the absolute best
- (insert magazine writer here) says there's nothing better
- (insert ballistic report here) says there's nothing better
- it works in my gun (the ONLY criteria that really matters)

When all is said and done, I believe there's very little difference in how dead something will be when shot by any of the popular rounds, especially if multiple rounds are properly placed in the first place.

You pay your money and you take your choice.

GoldenSaber · September 5th, 2009, 06:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorlk

I don't think anyone is pushing the WWB HP as the preferred SD round, just that there's nothing intrinsically wrong with it; if that is what you can get/afford, then go with it. If one wants to use one of the so-called high performance rounds, then there's nothing wrong with that, either.

Personally, I think that when you have reached a particular level of performance in SD ammo in general, all the choices come down to

- everyone else is using it
- it's what's on the shelf
- the box says it's the absolute best
- (insert magazine writer here) says there's nothing better
- (insert ballistic report here) says there's nothing better
- it works in my gun (the ONLY criteria that really matters)

When all is said and done, I believe there's very little difference in how dead something will be when shot by any of the popular rounds, especially if multiple rounds are properly placed in the first place.

You pay your money and you take your choice.

All valid points. In the end, to each their own. Like guns... some think a $2000 gun will kill you deader than a $350 gun. Dead is dead... right?

Majorlk · September 5th, 2009, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldenSaber

All valid points. In the end, to each their own. Like guns... some think a $2000 guns will kill you deader than a $350 gun. Dead is dead... right?

Yup! On all counts!

If it wasn't for variety, this world would be a boring place!

jem102 · September 7th, 2009, 09:32 AM

OK, got to the range yesterday and the results are:

The HK USPc was first and as I expected just swallowed and spit POA end of story. I fired 16 rounds with 2 mags good to go but I prefer the 200 gr. TAP in this gun and I can still get those.

The 5" Taurus 1911 was next. I normally release from slide lock by pulling on the rear of the slide and letting it go to battery. The gun refused to operate in this manner with this round. When I used the slide stop lever it stumbled in but was "jerky" on the run up. Once chambered the full and partial mags ran completely through but cycle time seemed slower. I fired 20 rounds from 2 mags.

The 4" Kimber reacted the same as the Taurus so I just need to be sure to to release from the slide lock with the lever.

Accuracy was very good, not quite what the HydraShoks deliver but close enough I would have full confidence in a SD situation.
The power level was surprising, above the white box hard ball and equal to any standard HP load I have fired.

Overall IMO on a 1-10:

HK (and I would assume Glocks & Sigs) = 9

1911's = 7

sgtD · September 8th, 2009, 05:01 PM

Yep, I've fired a lot of the WWB 125 gr hp personal defense in my .357 and it's pretty much a "full house load." It's has more punch than my handloads, which are supposed to be the max load according to the manuals.

Don't believe I've ever fired any in .45 though.

Janq · September 8th, 2009, 05:11 PM

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Originally Posted by jem102

At Wally World today to pick up some W-W hard ball and they had white box personal defense with 230 gr. HP's. The bullet looked good but the case & primer appeared the same as the hard ball and most surely not premium ammo. Anyone tried this stuff or know anything about it?

I've been using and depending on it for specific HD use for years.
It has for me tested very well across the board...

http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...archid=2517019

Additionally it has a good reputation as being quality ammo.
It does not matter that it's sold via Wal-Mart or available at Dick's or can be ordered online just like any other make and brand including Federal amongst others...

Guns Magazine, August, 2002 by Charles E. Petty
Winchester's USA JHP ammunition: Winchester breaks new ground with its USA brand of personal protection hollowpoints | Guns Magazine | Find Articles at BNET

IMHO WWB is the best bang for if you can find it buck ammo going.
I love the FMJ WWB target ammo too as well as it's very consistent and quite accurate.

- Janq has cached two boxes of it at 50 rounds ea. in 45 and 9MM

xXxplosive · September 16th, 2009, 05:48 PM

It Works Fine...........................

Camjr · September 20th, 2009, 11:01 AM

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Originally Posted by xXxplosive

It Works Fine...........................

agreed. It works fine

Cuda66 · September 20th, 2009, 11:39 AM

Not trying to go ammo snob here, but I do believe there are better choices.

However, those better choices are not always available due to the current ammo market, or financial situations of buyers--it's not easy to purchase a few hundred rounds of, say HST, and put them downrange just to verify function & accuracy...I know, I've done it.

The way I see it, as long as it functions 100% & has acceptable accuracy in one's firearms, it's a better choice than FMJ, but not as good of a choice as one of the premium labels.

Although, I will admit--the Remington Green Box 125gr SJHP in .357 magnum is my preferred load in my GP100 and 686...

September 8th, 2009, 05:01 PM	#26
sgtD VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,212	Yep, I've fired a lot of the WWB 125 gr hp personal defense in my .357 and it's pretty much a "full house load." It's has more punch than my handloads, which are supposed to be the max load according to the manuals. Don't believe I've ever fired any in .45 though. __________________ When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts & minds will follow. Semper Fi.

September 20th, 2009, 11:39 AM	#30
Cuda66 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: minnesota Posts: 487	Not trying to go ammo snob here, but I do believe there are better choices. However, those better choices are not always available due to the current ammo market, or financial situations of buyers--it's not easy to purchase a few hundred rounds of, say HST, and put them downrange just to verify function & accuracy...I know, I've done it. The way I see it, as long as it functions 100% & has acceptable accuracy in one's firearms, it's a better choice than FMJ, but not as good of a choice as one of the premium labels. Although, I will admit--the Remington Green Box 125gr SJHP in .357 magnum is my preferred load in my GP100 and 686... __________________ One man's theology is another man's belly laugh. --RAH

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September 7th, 2009, 09:32 AM	#25
jem102 Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Jefferson County TN Posts: 152	OK, got to the range yesterday and the results are: The HK USPc was first and as I expected just swallowed and spit POA end of story. I fired 16 rounds with 2 mags good to go but I prefer the 200 gr. TAP in this gun and I can still get those. The 5" Taurus 1911 was next. I normally release from slide lock by pulling on the rear of the slide and letting it go to battery. The gun refused to operate in this manner with this round. When I used the slide stop lever it stumbled in but was "jerky" on the run up. Once chambered the full and partial mags ran completely through but cycle time seemed slower. I fired 20 rounds from 2 mags. The 4" Kimber reacted the same as the Taurus so I just need to be sure to to release from the slide lock with the lever. Accuracy was very good, not quite what the HydraShoks deliver but close enough I would have full confidence in a SD situation. The power level was surprising, above the white box hard ball and equal to any standard HP load I have fired. Overall IMO on a 1-10: HK (and I would assume Glocks & Sigs) = 9 1911's = 7

September 16th, 2009, 05:48 PM	#28
xXxplosive Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: USA Posts: 122	It Works Fine...........................