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Old September 20th, 2009, 08:09 PM   #31
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Oh, not by a long shot. Shooters have been doing this for the 40+ years I have been shooting, at least. It's just now that ...

(1) there are more choices to be snobbish over;
(2) there are more shooters to be snobbish;
(3) Now everyone can be an instant snob via the internet, instead of just the magazine writers.

I have never been much of a snob, whatever it shoots well, is what it gets. For my 35 Whelen, I use the bottom level 250 grain soft point bullets. Cheap cheap cheap, but you should see what they do to a deer! Also, I can break clay pigeons on the 201 yard berm all day with them, even with a hot barrel. My 30.06 like Nosler Ballilstic Tips, but there are other bullets out there that cost more. But, ask the elk that met up with one at 420 yards. Neck shot, dropped straight down. Why use anything else? I would use whatever I could get ahold of that works, even if it is pink and made of dried banana chips!!!

Maybe I am being a snob...
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I am going to be buying some soon as I can get the money!
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Old September 23rd, 2009, 11:34 AM   #32
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IM not a true ammo snob, I just snob off at people with ammo.

I do know that cheap ammo (target not SD) uses dirty powder and probably more corrosive primers and steel cases.

remember the unadvertised SD ammo is basic self defense ammo. Its going to be loaded to use in all guns, its going to be no where near the top of the load charts. the bullets arent going to be "molecule bonded" or some fancy casting process. They are going to be basic hollow points, probably will have jacket seperation issues in FBI tests and the weight of the bullet post impact will be lighter then the fancy bonded HP post impact. So basically the name brand SD ammo thats packaged generic will put a hole in a bad guy and it will hurt. THere is no multi million dollar testing budget for the name brand generic packaged ammo. They make the stuff and do lot testing for consistency of load and thats about it.

in the end, if all you can find is name branded generic packaged ammo its better then an empty gun you swing like a club.
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Old September 23rd, 2009, 12:11 PM   #33
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I prefer to carry HSTs but I have extensively tested and carried WWB 230 gr. JHPs and they have been 100% reliable and consistent. They seem to be hotter than WWB ball I have used for the range.

I have ran them through my G21 and G30. You can carry them with confidence that they will do the job if needed.
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Old September 23rd, 2009, 04:51 PM   #34
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IM not a true ammo snob, I just snob off at people with ammo.

I do know that cheap ammo (target not SD) uses dirty powder and probably more corrosive primers and steel cases.
The difference is flake powder is cheaper than Ball; flake is dirtier than ball - but not all flake is dirty.

There are no US-made primers that are corrosive. Not even the Russians are using corrosive primers. I am not sure there have ever been any corrosive Boxer primers - Berdan, yes.

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THere is no multi million dollar testing budget for the name brand generic packaged ammo.
Bet you there's no multi-million dollar testing budget for the "high priced spread" either.

There's an awful lot of marketing hype and quoting of various tests, but when the bullets hit the flesh, I'm betting that there is no significant difference between any of the top SD loads, including the older HydraShok rounds. None of them are "One-Shot-Stop" rounds, unless the one shot is between the eyes or to the central nervous system. Not even a heart shop is a guaranteed one-shot-stop.

As someone else has said of modern SD rounds, after reliability and accuracy, all else is angels dancing on the head of a pin.
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