Corbon .45 Auto Rim 160-gr. DPX Report... - Page 2

Stephen A. Camp · April 6th, 2006, 10:20 AM

Hello. Yes. I use mine primarily with the 250-gr. CSWC handload mentioned in the longer article, but bought it originally to use with .45 auto ammo that didn't feed well or was a bit warm.

Best.

Stephen A. Camp · April 10th, 2006, 09:00 PM

Hello. As mentioned in the original report, I normally use Auto Rim cases as I handload for the .45 Auto Rim and use the .45 ACP with moonclips when wanting something that expands or acts differently than the deep-penetration 250-gr. CSWC I normally use.

Checking around, I found that HKS, a long-time maker of revolver speedloaders, offers the 25-M for the Auto Rim. The only revolver on their packaging that they show it for use with is the S&W Model 25-2.

HKS is the brand of speedloader that I use for pocket carry with the .38 Special snub that accompanies me everywhere 24/7 and a brand/type that I've had exactly zero problems with. I am sure that it's not the fastest speedloader, but it is secure, and if using .45 Auto Rim, I suspect it is the only choice.

Here are two of the HKS Model 25-M speedloaders for the .45 Auto Rim. One is loaded with six of my CSWC handloads while the other is loaded with six Corbon 160-gr. DPX expanding bullet loads. The speedloader/.45 Auto Rim combination is a short one, but this is only normal considering that the Auto Rim revolver cartridge sprang from the .45 ACP. The Corbon round uses Starline cases while my handloads are with Remingtons. Both worked fine.

These speedloaders hold the Auto Rim cartridges in the same manner that they hold conventional revolver rounds such as the .38/.357, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, et al, and twisting the knurled aluminum knob releases the cartridges to fall into the cylinder by gravity.

When I initially tried a reload, it seemed like the speedloader was hanging on something. In other words, the cartridges were not going into the cylinder as deeply as I'd grown acustomed to with typical revolver cartridges.
What was the problem? The speedloader had no problems clearing the Pachmayr grips that came on the revolver.

Actually, there was no problem; 45 AR is simply a short LOA cartridge and you can see part of the shaft of the speedloader bumping up against the revolver's spring-loaded center pin. I repeated reloading ten times with both the DPX factory loads and the handloads. I had no problems or failures to reload the revolver efficiently, but Mr. Miculek has nothing to fear from me!

Folks using .45 ACP revolvers can use either moonclips with ACP ammo or speedloaders with AR ammunition rather than carrying the latter loose in a pocket.

I ordered mine from Brownells, but these can probably be found elsewhere for those interested. At Brownells, they cost $9.95 each and are listed by Part Number #392-100-025.

Best.

P95Carry · April 10th, 2006, 09:18 PM

As ever Steve - many thx for all the extra info.

What would we do without you!

Stephen A. Camp · April 10th, 2006, 09:31 PM

Hello. Thanks very much........but, you'd do fine.

Best.

Rock and Glock · April 10th, 2006, 10:31 PM

Mr. Camp: I don't shoot 45, but that's a darn nice grouping!

Stephen A. Camp · April 10th, 2006, 10:50 PM

Hello and thank you very much. It's about the best I can do and was from a bench. My eyes simply cannot define the front sight as clearly as in years past w/o much effort at focusing and my prescription shooting glasses now and then.

Best.

DDGator · April 11th, 2006, 09:34 AM

Mr. Camp, you must be drumming up sales at Brownells! I ordered some of the HKS speedloaders and they went out of stock while my order was pending! :)

Stephen A. Camp · April 11th, 2006, 10:52 AM

Hello. Well, I suspect that they didn't have that many in stock. I would imagine that other calibers such as the .38/.357, .44 Spec/Mag, outsell them handily.

These folks have one in stock:

http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...eitemid=467390

Here, they don't say how many they do or don't have:

http://www.pistoleer.com/hks/revolver/

Best.

April 6th, 2006, 10:20 AM	#11
Stephen A. Camp Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 402	Hello. Yes. I use mine primarily with the 250-gr. CSWC handload mentioned in the longer article, but bought it originally to use with .45 auto ammo that didn't feed well or was a bit warm. Best. __________________ Drop by www.hipowersandhandguns.com and http://hipowers-handguns.blogspot.com/

April 10th, 2006, 09:00 PM	#12
Stephen A. Camp Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 402	Not Ammo, but Related: HKS .45 AR Speedloader Review... Hello. As mentioned in the original report, I normally use Auto Rim cases as I handload for the .45 Auto Rim and use the .45 ACP with moonclips when wanting something that expands or acts differently than the deep-penetration 250-gr. CSWC I normally use. Checking around, I found that HKS, a long-time maker of revolver speedloaders, offers the 25-M for the Auto Rim. The only revolver on their packaging that they show it for use with is the S&W Model 25-2. HKS is the brand of speedloader that I use for pocket carry with the .38 Special snub that accompanies me everywhere 24/7 and a brand/type that I've had exactly zero problems with. I am sure that it's not the fastest speedloader, but it is secure, and if using .45 Auto Rim, I suspect it is the only choice. Here are two of the HKS Model 25-M speedloaders for the .45 Auto Rim. One is loaded with six of my CSWC handloads while the other is loaded with six Corbon 160-gr. DPX expanding bullet loads. The speedloader/.45 Auto Rim combination is a short one, but this is only normal considering that the Auto Rim revolver cartridge sprang from the .45 ACP. The Corbon round uses Starline cases while my handloads are with Remingtons. Both worked fine. These speedloaders hold the Auto Rim cartridges in the same manner that they hold conventional revolver rounds such as the .38/.357, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, et al, and twisting the knurled aluminum knob releases the cartridges to fall into the cylinder by gravity. When I initially tried a reload, it seemed like the speedloader was hanging on something. In other words, the cartridges were not going into the cylinder as deeply as I'd grown acustomed to with typical revolver cartridges. What was the problem? The speedloader had no problems clearing the Pachmayr grips that came on the revolver. Actually, there was no problem; 45 AR is simply a short LOA cartridge and you can see part of the shaft of the speedloader bumping up against the revolver's spring-loaded center pin. I repeated reloading ten times with both the DPX factory loads and the handloads. I had no problems or failures to reload the revolver efficiently, but Mr. Miculek has nothing to fear from me! Folks using .45 ACP revolvers can use either moonclips with ACP ammo or speedloaders with AR ammunition rather than carrying the latter loose in a pocket. I ordered mine from Brownells, but these can probably be found elsewhere for those interested. At Brownells, they cost $9.95 each and are listed by Part Number #392-100-025. Best. __________________ Drop by www.hipowersandhandguns.com and http://hipowers-handguns.blogspot.com/

April 10th, 2006, 09:18 PM	#13
P95Carry Assistant Administrator Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: South West PA Posts: 25,339	As ever Steve - many thx for all the extra info. What would we do without you! __________________ Chris - P95 NRA Certified Instructor & NRA Life Member. "To own a gun and assume that you are armed is like owning a piano and assuming that you are a musician!." If a BG dies as the result of pointing a gun at me, then he has merely succumbed to an occupational hazard of being a thug

April 10th, 2006, 09:31 PM	#14
Stephen A. Camp Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 402	Hello. Thanks very much........but, you'd do fine. Best. __________________ Drop by www.hipowersandhandguns.com and http://hipowers-handguns.blogspot.com/

April 10th, 2006, 10:31 PM	#15
Rock and Glock VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado at 9,500' Posts: 3,494	Mr. Camp: I don't shoot 45, but that's a darn nice grouping! __________________ Richard NRA Life Member "In this world a man must either be anvil or hammer" Henry Wadsworth Longfellow

April 10th, 2006, 10:50 PM	#16
Stephen A. Camp Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 402	Hello and thank you very much. It's about the best I can do and was from a bench. My eyes simply cannot define the front sight as clearly as in years past w/o much effort at focusing and my prescription shooting glasses now and then. Best. __________________ Drop by www.hipowersandhandguns.com and http://hipowers-handguns.blogspot.com/

April 11th, 2006, 09:34 AM	#17
DDGator Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Tampa Bay Area, Florida Posts: 144	Mr. Camp, you must be drumming up sales at Brownells! I ordered some of the HKS speedloaders and they went out of stock while my order was pending! :) __________________ DDGator (Duane) www.RealWorldCarryGear.com

April 11th, 2006, 10:52 AM	#18
Stephen A. Camp Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Texas Posts: 402	Hello. Well, I suspect that they didn't have that many in stock. I would imagine that other calibers such as the .38/.357, .44 Spec/Mag, outsell them handily. These folks have one in stock: http://www.midwayusa.com/eproductpag...eitemid=467390 Here, they don't say how many they do or don't have: http://www.pistoleer.com/hks/revolver/ Best. __________________ Drop by www.hipowersandhandguns.com and http://hipowers-handguns.blogspot.com/

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