GoldenSaber

I talked to a spokesperson at Hornady inquiring if they intended to offer their Critical Defense in a .40 round. He indicated they did plan on that caliber but that they could not specify a time table as to when Hornady would bring it to market.

As for me, I'll be eagerly awaiting it.

__________________
__________________________
Does My Wallet Make Me Look Fat? It shouldn't because Obama is taking all my money.

gglass

Hornady Critical Defense - Behold the power of marketing!

__________________
"Let me guess... This isn't about the alcohol or tobacco."

BikerRN

What does this Critical Defense Ammo do that my 155 or 180 Grain Federal loads don't?

There is reams of documentation on the Federal loads. Does Hornaday have any real life stats on their ammo yet?

I don't tend to get too enthused about new ammo until it has been proven on the street to some degree. My momma and daddy didn't raise me to be a Beta Tester.

Biker

__________________
If I knew I was going to get in to a gunfight I most ceratinly wouln't bring a handgun or two, and I don't know any smart person that does.

jjkjr

Bass Pro Independence MO has had this for a couple weeks. Today they had 15 boxes of it.

__________________
XD9sc
Lugar LCP 380
NAA 22 mini mag w/holster grip
S&W 38 model 10
NRA member

av8er

No - the Critical Defense is a different product.

jjkjr

welp...... i guess i should say that if i wanted 40 go ahead and get the xtp......

__________________
XD9sc
Lugar LCP 380
NAA 22 mini mag w/holster grip
S&W 38 model 10
NRA member

gottabkiddin

Same here. I think it's a great bullet design and powered by the .40 caliber. Yeah, that'll get it done.

So, are ya saying the video recorded ballistics test are just hype? Hornady has always produced quality ammo as far I can date back, and this is just another quality offering from a fine ammo supplier. JMO

__________________
When seconds count, a Cop is only minutes away.

Never hit anyone in anger unless you're sure you can get away with it. "Russell Ziskey"
Glock 36, Kahr CW9, Glock 23, Taurus 24 7 Pro DS, Ruger LCP, S&W 642...ect

gglass

Is it hype? In as much as it is marketing...yes. I am in the business of marketing, and it is the job of anyone in this profession to remove the warts from a product when presenting it to the public. Do you really think that they would show a failure in their marketing video?

If you want to see a failure of Hornady's Critical Defense, you need look no further than testing done last year by Dr. Gary Roberts.

Dr. Roberts quote, "notice the failure of the Hornady .38 Sp 110 gr FTX "Critical Defense" load to expand after 4 layers of denim".

BUG's: .380 ACP vs. .38 Sp - M4Carbine.net Forums

My real point in saying "Behold the power of marketing", is that the moment Hornady's FTX hit the market with their famous video, the Hornady fanboys instantly proclaimed it as the greatest SD ammo ever. No real-world testing required. Now that is some powerful marketing.

Hornady's Critical Defense may well be "all that", but I will never blindly accept any manufacturers claim as gospel. I need a little more real-world testing to trust my life to to any product.

__________________
"Let me guess... This isn't about the alcohol or tobacco."

gottabkiddin

IMO, Any manufacturer that can produce a round that can throw a 90gr projectile at around 900 fps or better and deliver close to 200 fp of energy is good enough for me. I'm not expecting my .380 BUG to stop anyone with one shot. IMO, That's what follow up shots are for. As to the failures, you gotta have failures in-order to create a fix, not to mention the fact that, (how many folks do you know running around wearing 4 layers of denim ). For me it's none, and from the vids I've seen on the testing. I'm thinkin the round will do as it's supposed to do, way more than it'll fail. Not trying to totally disagree with ya at all, just my perspective on the matter. Take care.

__________________
When seconds count, a Cop is only minutes away.

Never hit anyone in anger unless you're sure you can get away with it. "Russell Ziskey"
Glock 36, Kahr CW9, Glock 23, Taurus 24 7 Pro DS, Ruger LCP, S&W 642...ect

stoprilshoot

if your only looking at what you want to see look no farther.

if you want to see the truth look @ the 5 other rounds that fail to expand. its more a factor of the low velocity of the .38sp round IMO. i like my HP's to travel over 1100fps whenever possible.
:)


i dont feel the 4 layer test is a good real world test but does give another data point.