Range Asked Me to Leave My Wolf Ammo at the Counter - Page 10

JT · October 9th, 2009, 05:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Orange Boy

...splits, ejectors getting mangled, etc. They don't think it's safe.

If they're worried about splits, then they should also ban any type of re-loads, including factory re-loads.

As for ejectors, I'm not sure why that would be a serious safty issue. Certianly no more than any other type of jam.

UnklFungus · October 9th, 2009, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SIXTO

I doubt it has anything to do with the gun, but the steel case that Wolf uses. I dont think its anything to be concearned about. My Glock did the same thing when I'd shoot Wolf on occasion.

Thaks! Or thanks, either Way!

oneshot · October 10th, 2009, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by cmdrdredd

I have another theory...these ammo brands are easy to find in quantity and not very expensive. They can tell you don't use it and make you buy their overpriced ammo instead.

Kind of what I was thinking also.

They may be secretly getting an attitude about all the people buying wolf n brown bear online and not buying it from them

"To my mind it is wholly irresponsible to go into the world incapable of preventing violence, injury, crime, and death. How feeble is the mindset to accept defenselessness. How unnatural. How cheap. How cowardly. How pathetic." Ted Nugent

Majorlk · October 10th, 2009, 02:26 PM

Ditto!

One local dealer just had a big sale on Federal/CCI products and had over 150,000 rounds of 9mm Blazer Brass on the floor for $10/box. There was a sign saying "not for indoor range use".

When asked why, one purchaser was supposedly told it was unsafe for their indoor range because the jackets fell off the bullets as they exited the muzzle. Have you ever heard such a crock of BS? It didn't happen on any of the stuff I shot.

The reality was, every other 9mm in the house was $17 or more a box and they preferred to sell that for use on their range.

JT · October 10th, 2009, 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorlk

When asked why, one purchaser was supposedly told it was unsafe for their indoor range because the jackets fell off the bullets as they exited the muzzle.

That one wins the prize.

Patti · October 11th, 2009, 12:16 AM

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Originally Posted by SIXTO

Some points were hit on, others are missed completely. I have had the experience of managing one of the busiest indoor ranges in the country for a number of years. Here is the scoop;

Ranges typically do not sort their brass. It is time consuming and not profitable for them to do so. They do collect it (sweep it up) and sell it by the pound to companies like UltraMax to be reloaded. Ultramax will give the range a per pound price based on the quality of the product they typically receive from the range. Steal cases equal bad weight and less money.

Second, there is a lot of unburnt powder left on the range floors. Its just a fact of the range. All ammunition leaves some, especially in pistols. Just look at all that greenish debris on the range floor just forward of the firing line; thats unburnt powder. Now, imagine a steel core bullet impacting a steel back stop at a 45 degree angle. What do you think that is going to create? Sparks. Now, I already know what somebody is going to try to argue about on this; go ahead... I'm ready.

Third; On top of the backstop that you see from the firing line is a component that most people have no idea exists. Its called a spin chamber. What happens is, the bullet impacts the steel backstop, travels upward into the spin chamber, spins until it loses most of its momentum, and drops down into the lead collection system. Again, steel on steel wears the spin chambers a lot quicker than lead on steel. Wear a hole in a spin chamber at it shuts down the range. And you are lucky if that is all that happens.
Spin chambers ain't cheap guys.

We have had several members from across the country chime in and say their range says the same thing... and it must be BS?
Do you guys honestly think that all the ranges across the country met in some secret meeting somewhere to discuss the demise of Russian ammo? Really? Thats just funny. Too funny actually.

Please, to suggest sneaking in or ignoring these range rules really put our ranges and our sport in a bad spot. These days ranges are closing left and right to to insurance costs and law suits... and you guys want to jeopardize a mans business and our places to shoot just so you can blast off a few boxes of crappy ammo? Way to look out for our cause. No wonder public ranges are dissappearing.

Good point, Sixto.

I was at the range today. A guy was shooting steel core ammo. You could see the sparks when he hit the backstop. You could also see the bullets richochet. The rangemaster made him switch ammo.

Everybody is asked the same question when they sign in: "What kind of ammo are you using today."

This guy lied.

Everybody needs to respect the rules.

If they don't, then they should be banned from using the range.

Faitmaker · October 11th, 2009, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by SIXTO

But steel cores are only part of the reason!

There are other reasons as well. Bimetal jackets, sparks, spin chambers....

There is no 'vast range owner conspiracy' LOL.

For the record, I'm not saying there is any vast range owner conspiracy. I will tell you that you are the only one I've ever HEARD of those other reasons from. If it was just that simple, someone could have mentioned anyone of those issues and I would've have been fine with it. And the excuse that "my customers are to stupid to get it" is lame. And yes, that is what I take from any discussion of "the average customer doesn't..."

SIXTO · October 11th, 2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Faitmaker

For the record, I'm not saying there is any vast range owner conspiracy. I will tell you that you are the only one I've ever HEARD of those other reasons from. If it was just that simple, someone could have mentioned anyone of those issues and I wouldn't have been fine with it. And the excuse that "my customers are to stupid to get it" is lame. And yes, that is what I take from any discussion of "the average customer doesn't..."

No need to take it personal, its just a fact of life that most people don't or wont concern themselves with the details when the consequences don't directly affect them.
It only takes one fool to run things for everybody.

Faitmaker · October 11th, 2009, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JT

If they're worried about splits, then they should also ban any type of re-loads, including factory re-loads.

That's another point I want to bring up. I can't believe I forgot it. My commercial range doesn't have a problem with wolf (at least on the rifle range) but as I said, they don't allow reloads only "factory ammo". However, the don't mind the reloads they sell me from Precision.. because it's factory ammo.. I'm sorry but it is my belief that Precision underloads their reloads. I can feel it in the shot. I can see my round traveling down the range. I can't prove or disprove because I don't know the powder they load with so the grains is meaningless. I just don't like their rounds. Dirty too. Makes me think of Unique. Hell I can load with that and do, so I want to shoot my much cheaper reloads on the range and not their expensive reloads. $19. for a box of 50 9mm or .40.

Faitmaker · October 11th, 2009, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by SIXTO

No need to take it personal, its just a fact of life that most people don't or wont concern themselves with the details when the consequences don't directly affect them.
It only takes one fool to run things for everybody.

I didn't take it personal. I guess I'm just not one of those "most people" and don't feel many are. The circle of people I run around with like the truth, would listen to the details and want to do the right thing.

October 10th, 2009, 02:26 PM	#94
Majorlk Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Naugatuck, CT Posts: 845	Ditto! One local dealer just had a big sale on Federal/CCI products and had over 150,000 rounds of 9mm Blazer Brass on the floor for $10/box. There was a sign saying "not for indoor range use". When asked why, one purchaser was supposedly told it was unsafe for their indoor range because the jackets fell off the bullets as they exited the muzzle. Have you ever heard such a crock of BS? It didn't happen on any of the stuff I shot. The reality was, every other 9mm in the house was $17 or more a box and they preferred to sell that for use on their range. __________________ An armed society is a polite society. Manners are good when one may have to back up his acts with his life. - Robert A. Heinlein

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