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It isn't that it is "their range and their rules" so much as it is the stupidity of the explanation. Steel cases (even copper coated steel) will stick to a magnet like nobody's business. Aluminum cases are never copper coated, so they stand out like no one's business. I won't even dignify the unburned powder comment. All the shooting ranges in our county got together and flat out told shooters they had to use their overpriced ammo. OK, at least there wasn't any BS on that. But when one range told shooters they couldn't use lead bullets because heating up the lead to clean it off the steel backstops would ruin the temper of the steel was just too much for me. If you want to make more money, just say it, don't insult my intelligence.

joshe

One I went to last week said no wolf or all lead other than 22..

cmdrdredd

QFT, +1 etc

The real deal is this folks. There have been rumors flying around since before the election about "no more guns" "no more ammo" etc. So far nothing has happened except that more and more people are buying guns AND ammo. New shooters especially. So this means people are inexperienced and any old wives tale becomes truth because "The guy at the store told me so!" Well, we know it's BS but the new shooters do not. So they spew this at everyone who walks in. Lets face it, ammo is hard to come by in some areas. Ranges might have more ammo than the local sporting goods store. So they will use this to their advantage. "No Wolf because it melts the floor when the casing hits since it's steel and it gets hotter than brass does. You have to buy our ammo, box of 50 9mm 115gr for $35." That's about how it is. They want to 1) sell you their overpriced ammo which may actually be WORSE in some cases than the worst of the worst factory ammo and 2) they want to resell brass and they're too lazy to pick out the steel and aluminum cases. Why do they do this? Because Wolf is very easy to find and cheaper than everything else for the most part. They don't like that.

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Cuda66 hit the nail on the head. That's the reason they don't want Wolf.

Blue Thunder

I noticed that no ranges in Georgia got represented here cause this sounds like BS except for those folks looking to make more bucks. When and IF my annual membership range does something really dumb like this, I will leave along with a lot of a few hundred others and then they will close. Vote with your pocket book. Call their hand on this stupid move.

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SIXTO

Some points were hit on, others are missed completely. I have had the experience of managing one of the busiest indoor ranges in the country for a number of years. Here is the scoop;

Ranges typically do not sort their brass. It is time consuming and not profitable for them to do so. They do collect it (sweep it up) and sell it by the pound to companies like UltraMax to be reloaded. Ultramax will give the range a per pound price based on the quality of the product they typically receive from the range. Steal cases equal bad weight and less money.

Second, there is a lot of unburnt powder left on the range floors. Its just a fact of the range. All ammunition leaves some, especially in pistols. Just look at all that greenish debris on the range floor just forward of the firing line; thats unburnt powder. Now, imagine a steel core bullet impacting a steel back stop at a 45 degree angle. What do you think that is going to create? Sparks. Now, I already know what somebody is going to try to argue about on this; go ahead... I'm ready.

Third; On top of the backstop that you see from the firing line is a component that most people have no idea exists. Its called a spin chamber. What happens is, the bullet impacts the steel backstop, travels upward into the spin chamber, spins until it loses most of its momentum, and drops down into the lead collection system. Again, steel on steel wears the spin chambers a lot quicker than lead on steel. Wear a hole in a spin chamber at it shuts down the range. And you are lucky if that is all that happens.
Spin chambers ain't cheap guys.

We have had several members from across the country chime in and say their range says the same thing... and it must be BS?
Do you guys honestly think that all the ranges across the country met in some secret meeting somewhere to discuss the demise of Russian ammo? Really? Thats just funny. Too funny actually.

Please, to suggest sneaking in or ignoring these range rules really put our ranges and our sport in a bad spot. These days ranges are closing left and right to to insurance costs and law suits... and you guys want to jeopardize a mans business and our places to shoot just so you can blast off a few boxes of crappy ammo? Way to look out for our cause. No wonder public ranges are dissappearing.

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BikerRN

They did, and I have documented evidence that will be aired on my PBS Documentary second Tuesday of next week. :sarcasm:

I stopped going to the local indoor range when the local Range Idiot told me I was violating safety rules the way I unload/reload a revolver.

Open Cylinder, thus weapon is made safe.
Barrel is turned 90 degrees upward so that gravity works the reloading process for me.
Hard slap to Ejector Rod.
Gun brought to waist in weakhand.
Barrel pointing down at a 90 degree angle, something about gravity.
Reload done with strong hand
Cylinder closed and gun pointed downrange.

I've never seen a shooting school or Match have an issue with the technique. Heck, even an older shooter I know, former cop, that works at that Range couldn't convince the numbskull that was the Assistant Manager, that I was using the correct procedures for unloading/reloading a revolver. The moron's point was:

ALL WEAPOMS MUST BE POINTED DOWNRANGE AT ALL TIMES

It was obvious to me that I couldn't fix stupid, so they lost twenty years of customer loyalty. I really don't care if they go out of business or not. I will not support them, or their idiot policies and will not recommend them. They also haven't gotten any brass from me since 2002, and I only recently stopped going there. In 2002 I believe the got ten spent cartridge cases from me.

The part that really got me was, the moron admitted to never having fired a Revolver, but he sure thought he knew how to properly handle one. God I hate Tupperware Kids.

Biker

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Hi SIXTO,
Quote: Second, there is a lot of unburnt powder left on the range floors. Its just a fact of the range. All ammunition leaves some, especially in pistols. Just look at all that greenish debris on the range floor just forward of the firing line; thats unburnt powder. Now, imagine a steel core bullet impacting a steel back stop at a 45 degree angle. What do you think that is going to create? Sparks. Now, I already know what somebody is going to try to argue about on this; go ahead... I'm ready.
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Have you ever known of a case that those conditions caused the powder on the floor to ignite? Thanks.

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Jerry

swiftyjuan

I have been at our local range three times when we had an unburned powder fire. Scares the bejesus out of some folks who have never seen it before. Sometimes they have to use a fire extinguisher! At our outdoor range, they check your bullets with a magnet. If the bullet is magnetic, you can't shoot it; we had a range fire caused by a steel bullet hitting a rock, and the fire department said no more!

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SIXTO

Yes! I've seen it more than once, particularly on busy days when the range isn't swept much. Most of the time its just a quick flash and its done.
It is also a part of range maintenance, igniting the unburnt powder in a controlled burn to get it out of the cracks and expansion joints of the floor.

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