Range Asked Me to Leave My Wolf Ammo at the Counter - Page 5

flyboy01 · October 6th, 2009, 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by EW3

My range has a large sign on the door before you go in that says: "NO ALUMINUM OR STEEL CASED AMMO PERMITTED". They told me it was due to having to sort out the steel from the brass. Oh well, their range, their rules.

I couldn't agree more. If you don't like the policy, go to a different range. I was going to one that didn't allow reloads. Oh well, good bye!

JT · October 6th, 2009, 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by SIXTO

Now, imagine a steel core bullet impacting a steel back stop at a 45 degree angle.

Wolf ammo does not have a steel core.

Steel jacket, yes. But not a steel core.

skot · October 6th, 2009, 03:17 PM

This turned out to be a very informative thread. Thanks for the replies. I definately learned a couple things I didn't know before.

I don't really have a problem with the policy. I just wanted to know more about what was behind it and I certainly do now.

FWIW I don't buy Wolf ammo either. What I have was given to me by a friend after getting a squib load within the first 25 rounds. Lets just say he was more than happy to give it away.

All in all this is one of the nicest ranges around so I will continue to go there. They all have their little quirks. There's the wolf thing, theres a place that makes you buy your ammo from them and yet another place that says no head shots and at least two seconds between all shots. No problem. I decide where I'm headed with those factors in mind. If I want to make my own rules I go out in the desert...and I bring my AK.

cmdrdredd · October 6th, 2009, 05:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Random

The range I've been going to also prohibits Wolf. I inquired after seeing this thread, and was told basically the same thing - it has a steel core and the backstop is steel.

It appears that it doesn't actually have a steel CORE, but they are steel jacketed. Wikipedia says "The steel is said to be more likely to ricochet, and also to cause sparks on impact, which can be a problem when shooting in dry grassland, or forest areas. In addition, a large majority of pistol ranges will not allow shooters to use Wolf, or other Russian ammunition types because of the steel jacket components on many of their products. The reason cited for this is because they claim it damages the backstops."

Personally, I've never used Wolf ammo. As far as the range goes - it's their rules. If I don't like it, I'll find another range. Since I can get other ammo just as cheap, it doesn't bother me.

The range I use doesn't make you buy their ammo - just doesn't want Wolf.

Ahh but what if all the shooter owns is wolf because nothing else was in stock? They have to pay the prices at the range to shoot.

cmdrdredd · October 6th, 2009, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by skot

This turned out to be a very informative thread. Thanks for the replies. I definately learned a couple things I didn't know before.

I don't really have a problem with the policy. I just wanted to know more about what was behind it and I certainly do now.

FWIW I don't buy Wolf ammo either. What I have was given to me by a friend after getting a squib load within the first 25 rounds. Lets just say he was more than happy to give it away.

All in all this is one of the nicest ranges around so I will continue to go there. They all have their little quirks. There's the wolf thing, theres a place that makes you buy your ammo from them and yet another place that says no head shots and at least two seconds between all shots. No problem. I decide where I'm headed with those factors in mind. If I want to make my own rules I go out in the desert...and I bring my AK.

I'm happy my local range doesn't have any problems with targets. They sell sillouette targets too. So if someone was doing a mozambique drill for example, they wouldn't be allowed because "it looks like you're murdering someone?" Let me get this straight a gun is built with the purpose of shooting a projectile at something you wish to destroy (handguns traditionally are defensive weapons and intended to hit soft targets i.e. people) yet you cannot practice for this situation? Why shoot? Really, especially on this forum most members if not all shoot because they want to be able to use their weapon in defense with confidence right?

JonInNY · October 6th, 2009, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Blackeagle

Haven't they heard of magnets?

I didn't know that magnets could be used to get the brass!

Random · October 6th, 2009, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by cmdrdredd

Ahh but what if all the shooter owns is wolf because nothing else was in stock? They have to pay the prices at the range to shoot.

Given how prominently it's posted, plus that it's in the paperwork you fill out for the range card, that would only be an issue the very first time you used the range. If you show up after that with Wolf ammo, then it's your own fault for not paying attention.

BaserRonin · October 6th, 2009, 07:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JonInNY

I didn't know that magnets could be used to get the brass!

I think the magnets might be used to separate the steel from the brass?

They can also be used to prove that Wolf does not have a steel core...

Superhouse 15 · October 6th, 2009, 07:33 PM

The range where I work allows Wolf, and it is not noticibly dirtier than anything else. I think the newer suff I've seen is much better and smells a lot better than the old stuff. I do notice that it makes more sparks on impact with our backstop. No problems yet with the decellerator chamber. We have had several fires on our range, most all are flashes, one or two were in the acoustic foam and one of those needed the FD (me actually) to respond.

Pic from the range, note the green ABC dry chemical on the gorund from a discharged fire extinguisher. (ignore the jammed Kel Tec staged photo

)

We don't sort our brass and only sell it in bulk, along with our lead and copper from the decellerator, to a contractor. Not cost effective for us to do it.

JerryM · October 6th, 2009, 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by SIXTO

Yes! I've seen it more than once, particularly on busy days when the range isn't swept much. Most of the time its just a quick flash and its done.
It is also a part of range maintenance, igniting the unburnt powder in a controlled burn to get it out of the cracks and expansion joints of the floor.

Thanks.
Jerry

October 6th, 2009, 07:33 PM	#49
Superhouse 15 Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 1,509	The range where I work allows Wolf, and it is not noticibly dirtier than anything else. I think the newer suff I've seen is much better and smells a lot better than the old stuff. I do notice that it makes more sparks on impact with our backstop. No problems yet with the decellerator chamber. We have had several fires on our range, most all are flashes, one or two were in the acoustic foam and one of those needed the FD (me actually) to respond. Pic from the range, note the green ABC dry chemical on the gorund from a discharged fire extinguisher. (ignore the jammed Kel Tec staged photo) We don't sort our brass and only sell it in bulk, along with our lead and copper from the decellerator, to a contractor. Not cost effective for us to do it.

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October 6th, 2009, 03:17 PM	#43
skot Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 147	This turned out to be a very informative thread. Thanks for the replies. I definately learned a couple things I didn't know before. I don't really have a problem with the policy. I just wanted to know more about what was behind it and I certainly do now. FWIW I don't buy Wolf ammo either. What I have was given to me by a friend after getting a squib load within the first 25 rounds. Lets just say he was more than happy to give it away. All in all this is one of the nicest ranges around so I will continue to go there. They all have their little quirks. There's the wolf thing, theres a place that makes you buy your ammo from them and yet another place that says no head shots and at least two seconds between all shots. No problem. I decide where I'm headed with those factors in mind. If I want to make my own rules I go out in the desert...and I bring my AK.