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Old October 7th, 2009, 12:43 AM   #51
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Wolf ammo does not have a steel core.

Steel jacket, yes. But not a steel core.
The older stuff does (did) in fact have a steel core. The newer does not, as you have pointed out. However, unless you really know what you are looking at, you wont know if its steel core or case, maybe both. There is still plenty of the old com blok steel core ammo out there.
So, to error on the side of caution, a lot of ranges just say no Wolf.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 09:40 AM   #52
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The older stuff does (did) in fact have a steel core. The newer does not, as you have pointed out. However, unless you really know what you are looking at, you wont know if its steel core or case, maybe both. There is still plenty of the old com blok steel core ammo out there.
So, to error on the side of caution, a lot of ranges just say no Wolf.
Steel core ammo has not been imported for quite some time. The ATF banned the importation of steel core 7.62x39 in 1994. And to the best of my knowledge, there was not any steel core in typical handgun calibers imported at the time. In all likelihood, it was the prospect of a handgun classified firearm in 7.62x39 that brought on the 1994 ban.

The Gun Zone: 7.62 X 39mm Steel Core Ammo Ban


Besides the fact that the steel core ammo was not Wolf. It was mostly Chinese, but did include some Russian. However, the Russian ammo did not use the Wolf name at the time.


http://home.comcast.net/~jfreeman16/ak_rifle_ammo.htm

Now there is some surplus ammo (not the commercial Wolf ammo) 5.45x39 coming in that has a partial steel core along with lead, but if a range wants to ban that, then they should also ban M855 (which is banned many places, but due to being FMJ).

But in any of these cases we are not talking about the commercial Wolf ammo, and certainly not in typical handgun calibers.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 10:59 AM   #53
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I think the newer suff I've seen is much better and smells a lot better than the old stuff.
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The older stuff does (did) in fact have a steel core. The newer does not, as you have pointed out.
It seems likely that there have been a number of problems with Wolf ammo in the past, and perhaps there is just a general distrust of it on the part of range owners. Even if the ammo IS better, it's going to take quite some time to regain trust.
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Third; On top of the backstop that you see from the firing line is a component that most people have no idea exists. Its called a spin chamber. What happens is, the bullet impacts the steel backstop, travels upward into the spin chamber, spins until it loses most of its momentum, and drops down into the lead collection system. Again, steel on steel wears the spin chambers a lot quicker than lead on steel. Wear a hole in a spin chamber at it shuts down the range. And you are lucky if that is all that happens.
Spin chambers ain't cheap guys.
I'm confused. The statement I bolded seems to imply that Wolf ammo has steel-jacketed projectiles? Thanks for the clarification.
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The older stuff does (did) in fact have a steel core. The newer does not, as you have pointed out. However, unless you really know what you are looking at, you wont know if its steel core or case, maybe both. There is still plenty of the old com blok steel core ammo out there.
So, to error on the side of caution, a lot of ranges just say no Wolf.
instead of banning inexpensive ammo wouldn't it make more sense to check the bullet with a magnet? If it sticks, that would be a good indication it has a steel core.
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I bet it is because the range owner doesn't like sorting the brass from the steel.
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I'm confused. The statement I bolded seems to imply that Wolf ammo has steel-jacketed projectiles? Thanks for the clarification.
Yes, some of it does. Some of the comblok ammo has steel cores as well.
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instead of banning inexpensive ammo wouldn't it make more sense to check the bullet with a magnet? If it sticks, that would be a good indication it has a steel core.
maybe, maybe not. A lot seem to want to error on the side of caution. Magnet checks may or may not work, I doubt a magnet would tell you if its a steel core or not, and if its a jacket, I doubt there is enough material for it to be obvious.
Thats just my theory though; I don't have any personal knowledge or facts to back that up.
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Old October 7th, 2009, 11:15 PM   #59
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A magnet will pick up a steel jacket, as well as a steel core.

But the fact remains that Wolf does not have a steel core. That’s the easiest way to tell it has a lead core. Look for the Wolf on the box. Invite them to call Wolf Performance Ammunition at (888) 757-WOLF (9653) if they don’t believe you.
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I can't agree completely with that.

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