Recommendation Needed: Ammo for P239 .40S&W - Page 2

gdm320 · October 14th, 2009, 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by cmdrdredd

The 50 round boxes are LE boxed. The civilian market only gets 20 round boxes. It stands to reason, they can make more money off 20 round boxes. There's no law telling you that you cannot buy the LE rounds, it's just the manufacturer's decision.

Surely, entirely their right to decide they want to give LE a bit of a "bulk discount" or whatnot. Happily they have appeared for civilian purchase, which is nice. I'm ordering a box now :).

Majorlk · October 14th, 2009, 10:37 PM

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Originally Posted by cmdrdredd

BTW: The Black Talons are no longer made, that is to say they are not black. The Winchester Ranger T rounds (not the bonded) are the newest generation of the same bullet design. It has had some slight changes made to it throughout the years. Call it upgrades.

And Winchester wanted to get rid of the stigma of the "cop killer" moniker that the anti-gun press put on the Black Talon name. Believe it or not, both Law & Order and CSI still refer to them as banned cop-killer bullets.

cmdrdredd · October 14th, 2009, 10:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Majorlk

And Winchester wanted to get rid of the stigma of the "cop killer" moniker that the anti-gun press put on the Black Talon name. Believe it or not, both Law & Order and CSI still refer to them as banned cop-killer bullets.

Didn't you know the black lubalox (is that it?) coating will let it zip through kevlar vests?

cmdrdredd · October 14th, 2009, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by gdm320

Surely, entirely their right to decide they want to give LE a bit of a "bulk discount" or whatnot. Happily they have appeared for civilian purchase, which is nice. I'm ordering a box now :).

Winchester will only sell them to an LEO channel. That is basically a distributor that caters to LEO orders or a departmental order. The distributor is not under any obligation to limit what retail locations actually order them. Winchester would prefer them not to be sold to the civilian market so they can market their civilian lines to them. The newest civilian offering is the new Supreme Elite PDX1 Bonded ammo. This is the same as the 50 round boxed Ranger Bonded Law Enforcement ammo (RA40B). It is the ammo that the FBI has settled on for their new duty load. Funny thing is, they use that as part of their marketing for the PDX1 ammo "The load chosen by the FBI". Also somewhat funny to me is that it has slightly inferior performance than the standard Ranger Ts (RA40T) in tests that don't involve barriers, yet winchester doesn't market the Ranger T line to the civilian market as far as I know.

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