tbrenke

anything can be use for a last ditch. I would relay more on the steel shrouded ball point then a .25.

do not take that to mean I am willing to be shot with one though.
"a gun of any caliber in the hand is better then a .45 in the safe."

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Read some of the current "mousegun" threads on this forum.



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retsupt99

Yes, with proper shot placement.

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frankmako

on the job i have seen many that have been killed with a 25 acp. also i have seen many that have been shot with one and it did not do much. come to think about it i have seen some shot with larger cals and they did not do much. proper shot placement is the key with any hand gun. go ahead and make fun of the 25 acp, but i don't see any one wanting to get shot by one. a 25 acp in hand is better than two 45 acp back home or in the car.

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Siafu

I have shot a Beretta Jetfire in .25 and like all mouseguns, I would not want to volunteer to catch a bullet from one. The advantage is that the guns are small that they tend to get carried more than their larger caliber counterparts.

gglass

I Have Your Answer!

I have applied mathematics to your question and have found the perfect answer.

The average .25 ACP cartridge has a muzzle energy of 64.93 ft/lbs, and the .25 NAA cartridge has a muzzle energy of 127.00 ft/lbs.

Let's say that your firearm is the NAA Guardian .25 sub-compact pistol. This pistol weighs 13.57 oz. empty, which is to say it weighs 5,936.88 grains. If you could throw it at 95 mph, which is the speed that Major League baseball pitchers throw a fast ball. That velocity works out to be 139.36 fps, and will yield 257.51 ft/lbs of energy on your target.

This tells us that you will have a much higher energy on target if you just become more proficient in throwing your empty .25 caliber handgun. (Please be sure to remove the ammunition from the handgun before throwing to avoid an accidental discharge... Safety first.)

.25 ACP Cartridge
Projectile weight - 45 gr
Projectile velocity - 804 fps
Projectile energy - 64.93 ft/lbs

.25 NAA Cartridge
Projectile weight - 35 gr
Projectile velocity - 1275 fps
Projectile energy - 127.00 ft/lbs

Thrown Handgun
Projectile weight - 5,936.88 gr
Projectile velocity - 139.36 fps
Projectile energy - 257.51 ft/lbs

Behold The Power of Mathematics!

Check it out for yourself: http://www.classifiercalc.com/misc_calcs/me.php


Safety Notice - Whether it is shot or thrown, you can still put an eye out with a .25 caliber handgun!

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edr9x23super

Sure it can be an effective round; it can be an effective precursor to having the gun shooting it being turned into a very effective rectal thermometer if you attempt to use it on the right BG.....

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automatic slim

Unfortunately, there's nothing that can be done to improve the two factors working against the .25, size and velocity. While the velocity could be boosted, the guns designed for this caliber could not stand up to the increased pressure. If you expanded the size, well of course it would no longer be a .25.
You would be better off with a .22, which is smaller but has significantly more velocity, or better yet, a .22 Magnum.

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das38spl

Even Massad Ayoob has stated that, were he forced to carry ONLY a .25ACP...he would "probably violate a basic firearm defense principle....and go for a head shot, rather than COM..."
I'm good with that philosophy...and I'll stick to my 9MM or .38Spl....

ripley16

As long as it's purpose and limits are known and understood, there's no reason a person can't defend themselves with any firearm including a .25acp. Hirtenberger .25acp is at least a little more powerful round than most and what I'd want if carrying the round.

25 ACP (6.35x15.5mm) -- 35 gr Frangible, 1150 fps, 103 ftlbs. Glaser Safety Slug, safe plinking, 2.4 inch barrel
25 ACP + P (6.35x15.5mm) -- 50 gr TMJ, 850 fps, 80 ftlbs. Custom Cartridge, shoots through a 2x4 pine construction beam

I disagree on those that claim a rimfire .22lr would be a better choice just on the basis of having the more reliable igntion of the centerfire .25acp. There's no great performance difference, but rimfire reliability is less than centerfire.

Of course the true value of any tiny firearm is in it's inherent discreet nature. A PSA or TPH can go places many other guns cannot.