Speer Gold Dots Practice Ammo - Page 2

cmdrdredd · October 18th, 2009, 04:40 PM

If they reply back anyhow. I look forward to whatever they might say.

kpw · October 18th, 2009, 05:09 PM

[QUOTE=walrusjax;1339757Also, before I posted here, I sent an e-mail to Speer with the lot and container number of my box of ammo and asked them for an explanation. Once I hear back, I will post their response so that all can benefit from that info.[/QUOTE]

Keep us up to date please. I've shot thousands of rounds of this stuff without issue. My dealer told me it was how they sell off over-runs as well.

walrusjax · October 18th, 2009, 07:36 PM

OK, no update from Speer yet (not surprising since it's still the weekend), but I did go fire 100 rounds of it today and it worked flawlessly.

MitchellCT · October 18th, 2009, 08:24 PM

The idea that a shooting's kosher/notkosher status being determined on the ammo being in spec or slightly over spec is laughable.

A police use of force incident is judged under numerous constitutional standards to determine if the police have violated someone's rights in their use of deadly force, and if such use of force is objectively and subjectively reasonable.

The spec of the ammo in use at any given time is a negligable issue, that may be...MAY be in issue if the use of force was justified; however, the ammunition did not function as intended and resulted in a shoot through injuring a bystander...

And even in that case, liability wouldn't be laid at the police's feet, but the ammo's manufacturer.

If your ammo is not fit for LE use, it is not fit for YOUR defensive use either.

digitalexplr · October 18th, 2009, 10:37 PM

I've got several boxes of Federal HST's. The boxes are all marked, "For Law Enforcement Use Only". HST's are all marked this way but there is no law saying they cannot be sold to the general public.

If an agency cancels an order or doesn't take delivery of all they ordered the distributor is free to sell them to whomever they desire.
There is nothing out of specs involved.

cmdrdredd · October 18th, 2009, 10:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MitchellCT

The idea that a shooting's kosher/notkosher status being determined on the ammo being in spec or slightly over spec is laughable.

A police use of force incident is judged under numerous constitutional standards to determine if the police have violated someone's rights in their use of deadly force, and if such use of force is objectively and subjectively reasonable.

The spec of the ammo in use at any given time is a negligable issue, that may be...MAY be in issue if the use of force was justified; however, the ammunition did not function as intended and resulted in a shoot through injuring a bystander...

And even in that case, liability wouldn't be laid at the police's feet, but the ammo's manufacturer.

If your ammo is not fit for LE use, it is not fit for YOUR defensive use either.

Believe what you want. It's left overs from an order, they don't want it to be sold to LEO and it goes to consumer channels. End of story.

stoprilshoot · October 19th, 2009, 10:06 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmdrdredd

Believe what you want. It's left overs from an order, they don't want it to be sold to LEO and it goes to consumer channels. End of story.

your the one who is believing what you want. your not listening to what federal and speer have to say, only what the man trying to sell you the ammo is saying.

end of story? if you use it and it fails or somebody believes the FUD you are spreading and it fails on them...

just sayin'

Majorlk · October 19th, 2009, 12:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by MitchellCT

The idea that a shooting's kosher/notkosher status being determined on the ammo being in spec or slightly over spec is laughable.

A police use of force incident is judged under numerous constitutional standards to determine if the police have violated someone's rights in their use of deadly force, and if such use of force is objectively and subjectively reasonable.

The spec of the ammo in use at any given time is a negligable issue, that may be...MAY be in issue if the use of force was justified; however, the ammunition did not function as intended and resulted in a shoot through injuring a bystander...

And even in that case, liability wouldn't be laid at the police's feet, but the ammo's manufacturer.

If your ammo is not fit for LE use, it is not fit for YOUR defensive use either.

Absolutely!!!!

There's NO ammunition manufacturer that's going to distribute ammunition that they know to be unsafe FOR ANY REASON. The liability issues are simply too great. They'll trash an entire production run before they'll knowingly let any of it out of the factory. If it's marked Not For LE Use, there's some reason other than safety.

The amount of complete BS that gets posted on the Internet and passed around in gun stores is pathetic.

Majorlk · October 19th, 2009, 12:49 PM

Quote:

If your ammo is not fit for LE use, it is not fit for YOUR defensive use either.

Quote:

Originally Posted by cmdrdredd

Believe what you want. It's left overs from an order, they don't want it to be sold to LEO and it goes to consumer channels. End of story.

I think you are misreading MitchellCT's statement. He's absolutely correct and if I read his post correctly, he's poking holes in the idea that it's somehow unsafe for LE but ok for civilians.

Am I correct, Mitchell?

And I agree with your assessment of the origin of the ammo in question, cmdrdredd. I've bought such ammo more than once. In fact, just this past month.

P J 234 · October 19th, 2009, 01:21 PM

There was some Speer Gold Dot recall ammo floating around for a while being sold like this. I don't recall the reason for the recall, or if one was even given, but a lot of it was sold in bulk packs as not for LE use. I think you can check with Speer or perhaps even Google for the lot numbers of recalled ammo.

October 18th, 2009, 04:40 PM	#11
cmdrdredd Senior Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Florida Posts: 698	If they reply back anyhow. I look forward to whatever they might say. __________________ No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. -Thomas Jefferson You can trust to luck or fate if you want but as for me, I carry a Glock.

October 18th, 2009, 05:09 PM	#12
kpw Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: PA Posts: 1,116	[QUOTE=walrusjax;1339757Also, before I posted here, I sent an e-mail to Speer with the lot and container number of my box of ammo and asked them for an explanation. Once I hear back, I will post their response so that all can benefit from that info.[/QUOTE] Keep us up to date please. I've shot thousands of rounds of this stuff without issue. My dealer told me it was how they sell off over-runs as well. __________________ "In a republic this rule ought to be observed: that the majority should not have the predominant power." - -- Marcus Tullius Cicero

October 18th, 2009, 07:36 PM	#13
walrusjax Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 27	OK, no update from Speer yet (not surprising since it's still the weekend), but I did go fire 100 rounds of it today and it worked flawlessly. __________________ I am the Walrus...Goo Goo Goo Joob “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” –Benjamin Franklin

October 18th, 2009, 10:37 PM	#15
digitalexplr Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Jefferson City, MO Posts: 656	I've got several boxes of Federal HST's. The boxes are all marked, "For Law Enforcement Use Only". HST's are all marked this way but there is no law saying they cannot be sold to the general public. If an agency cancels an order or doesn't take delivery of all they ordered the distributor is free to sell them to whomever they desire. There is nothing out of specs involved. __________________ XD9sc XD40 Service Mossberg 590a1 NRA Life Member

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October 18th, 2009, 08:24 PM	#14
MitchellCT Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Connecticut Posts: 1,008	The idea that a shooting's kosher/notkosher status being determined on the ammo being in spec or slightly over spec is laughable. A police use of force incident is judged under numerous constitutional standards to determine if the police have violated someone's rights in their use of deadly force, and if such use of force is objectively and subjectively reasonable. The spec of the ammo in use at any given time is a negligable issue, that may be...MAY be in issue if the use of force was justified; however, the ammunition did not function as intended and resulted in a shoot through injuring a bystander... And even in that case, liability wouldn't be laid at the police's feet, but the ammo's manufacturer. If your ammo is not fit for LE use, it is not fit for YOUR defensive use either.

October 19th, 2009, 01:21 PM	#20
P J 234 New Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: AZ Posts: 13	There was some Speer Gold Dot recall ammo floating around for a while being sold like this. I don't recall the reason for the recall, or if one was even given, but a lot of it was sold in bulk packs as not for LE use. I think you can check with Speer or perhaps even Google for the lot numbers of recalled ammo.