Speer Gold Dots Practice Ammo - Page 3

NC Bullseye · October 19th, 2009, 04:00 PM

Well, heard back from Speer/ATK and as I said in my original post, the reasons for the Not For LE Duty use is anything from "stains on the bullets or cases" up to "misfires at a rate of 1 in 50,000". It may even be "a complaint that can't be substantiated by QA testing".

These are not just over runs. They have substantiated problems.

Like I said, usable yes. Good for practice, yes. Would I bet my life on it in a carry situation? Nope.

Once again, is betting your life on a 50 cent difference per round worth it? You're the only one that can make that call.

cmdrdredd · October 19th, 2009, 05:03 PM

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Originally Posted by NC Bullseye

Well, heard back from Speer/ATK and as I said in my original post, the reasons for the Not For LE Duty use is anything from "stains on the bullets or cases" up to "misfires at a rate of 1 in 50,000". It may even be "a complaint that can't be substantiated by QA testing".

These are not just over runs. They have substantiated problems.

Like I said, usable yes. Good for practice, yes. Would I bet my life on it in a carry situation? Nope.

Once again, is betting your life on a 50 cent difference per round worth it? You're the only one that can make that call.

Stains on a case is bad? I have seen brand new in box rounds at retail that have stains and they're considered fine. That does nothing for performance, stain does not equal corrosion. Misfire at a rate of 1 in 50k... Do you even realize how likely it is that the ammo you buy at the store in retail box has this same possibility? If their QA can't substantiate any further complaint then seriously. Stop grasping at straws. If it was unsafe to use they wouldn't sell it. LEO have a completely different need than civilians, LEO orders are allowed to be ultra picky because of the money involved in such orders. If it completely did not work they would not release it back to retail.

If you run multiple boxes through and no problems in firing conditions in your gun then I'd say it's good to go.

NC Bullseye · October 19th, 2009, 05:49 PM

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Originally Posted by cmdrdredd

Stains on a case is bad? I have seen brand new in box rounds at retail that have stains and they're considered fine. That does nothing for performance, stain does not equal corrosion. Misfire at a rate of 1 in 50k... Do you even realize how likely it is that the ammo you buy at the store in retail box has this same possibility? If their QA can't substantiate any further complaint then seriously. Stop grasping at straws. If it was unsafe to use they wouldn't sell it. LEO have a completely different need than civilians, LEO orders are allowed to be ultra picky because of the money involved in such orders. If it completely did not work they would not release it back to retail.

If you run multiple boxes through and no problems in firing conditions in your gun then I'd say it's good to go.

Thanks for playing!

Didn't mean to confuse you with the facts.

Majorlk · October 19th, 2009, 08:02 PM

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Originally Posted by NC Bullseye

Thanks for playing!

Didn't mean to confuse you with the facts.

I'm with cmdrdredd; the only thing of consequence is the failure rate and I'm betting that the actual spec for non-government contracts isn't that much higher, if at all.

Do YOU know the civilian failure rate? Didn't think so. I don't either and I don't lose any sleep over it.

And yes it IS my choice.

BTW - I just emailed Speer and asked the above question.

walrusjax · October 19th, 2009, 08:04 PM

OK, I just got a response to the e-mail that I sent to Speer. When I e-mailed them, I gave them Lot and Container number, here is the response:

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Tom: the product is our seconds selected to be sold for Training, not a duty or carry round. Great practice loads and safe.

Shoot Straight!

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So, I will just go spend the $20 to get a new box for carry. The main reason that I wanted these was to see how they worked in my gun (I was told to put at least 100 rounds through my gun before I used it for carry) and for future practicing. I did shoot 100 rounds yesterday and I had no jams, no problems and I'm as accurate with them as any other round. Now, I still have 150 rounds to shoot from time to time to keep in practice with the round I'm carrying.

I appreciate everyone's help in answering my question here. I have learned a lot and I think that I'm on the right track.

October 19th, 2009, 08:04 PM	#25
walrusjax Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Jacksonville, FL Posts: 27	OK, I just got a response to the e-mail that I sent to Speer. When I e-mailed them, I gave them Lot and Container number, here is the response: ------------------------------ Tom: the product is our seconds selected to be sold for Training, not a duty or carry round. Great practice loads and safe. Shoot Straight! ------------------------------ So, I will just go spend the $20 to get a new box for carry. The main reason that I wanted these was to see how they worked in my gun (I was told to put at least 100 rounds through my gun before I used it for carry) and for future practicing. I did shoot 100 rounds yesterday and I had no jams, no problems and I'm as accurate with them as any other round. Now, I still have 150 rounds to shoot from time to time to keep in practice with the round I'm carrying. I appreciate everyone's help in answering my question here. I have learned a lot and I think that I'm on the right track. __________________ I am the Walrus...Goo Goo Goo Joob “Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote.” –Benjamin Franklin

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October 19th, 2009, 04:00 PM	#21
NC Bullseye Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: NC Foothills Posts: 162	Well, heard back from Speer/ATK and as I said in my original post, the reasons for the Not For LE Duty use is anything from "stains on the bullets or cases" up to "misfires at a rate of 1 in 50,000". It may even be "a complaint that can't be substantiated by QA testing". These are not just over runs. They have substantiated problems. Like I said, usable yes. Good for practice, yes. Would I bet my life on it in a carry situation? Nope. Once again, is betting your life on a 50 cent difference per round worth it? You're the only one that can make that call.