Graduating to a larger caliber... - Page 2

ongolo · October 28th, 2009, 05:57 PM

"He was throwing stones and would not stop. Under the circumstances I could do nothing but shoot him in the shoulder with my .45 ACP pistol loaded with Lawman ammunition which is topped with a 200grain JHP bullet. I excpected him to be knocked over by the bullet. He did not even twitch, but dropped the stone he was about to throw only to pick up a solid rock. He advanced with the rock held over his head with the obvious intent to flatten my head. I fired two more rounds into his chest and he kept coming, showing no signs of distress. My nervous system was by then in a state of collapse and I flinched with the next shot, hitting him relatively low, thus striking the hip joint. This apparently hurt him. He sat down and suffered in silence for a while, then stood up and walked off. After walking a few meters, he got angry again, turned around and came for me once more. I did not shoot again, but he collapsed a few meters from me. I cannot believe in the <stopping power< of heavy, large bullets anymore. We checked the wounds and found that two bullets pentrated clean and the other two were only partially deformed were bone was hit. No mushrooming at all. Unfortunately, I cannot afford another weapon right now, but I reduce the weight of my .45 bullets to about 90grains now and get about 1700ft/s out of it. I hope that with this load I will have more effect if I should need to use the pistol again."

OD · October 28th, 2009, 06:47 PM

How is this 9mm/45?

Barbary · October 28th, 2009, 07:08 PM

What was Ongolo posting in response to? I felt like I walked in on the middle of a conversation.

Cuda66 · October 28th, 2009, 10:56 PM

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Originally Posted by ongolo

"He was throwing stones and would not stop. Under the circumstances I could do nothing but shoot him in the shoulder with my .45 ACP pistol loaded with Lawman ammunition which is topped with a 200grain JHP bullet. I excpected him to be knocked over by the bullet. He did not even twitch, but dropped the stone he was about to throw only to pick up a solid rock. He advanced with the rock held over his head with the obvious intent to flatten my head. I fired two more rounds into his chest and he kept coming, showing no signs of distress. My nervous system was by then in a state of collapse and I flinched with the next shot, hitting him relatively low, thus striking the hip joint. This apparently hurt him. He sat down and suffered in silence for a while, then stood up and walked off. After walking a few meters, he got angry again, turned around and came for me once more. I did not shoot again, but he collapsed a few meters from me. I cannot believe in the <stopping power< of heavy, large bullets anymore. We checked the wounds and found that two bullets pentrated clean and the other two were only partially deformed were bone was hit. No mushrooming at all. Unfortunately, I cannot afford another weapon right now, but I reduce the weight of my .45 bullets to about 90grains now and get about 1700ft/s out of it. I hope that with this load I will have more effect if I should need to use the pistol again."

AZ Desertrat · October 28th, 2009, 11:12 PM

everyone needs a good .357 revolver in their collection.....

cmdrdredd · October 28th, 2009, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ongolo

"He was throwing stones and would not stop. Under the circumstances I could do nothing but shoot him in the shoulder with my .45 ACP pistol loaded with Lawman ammunition which is topped with a 200grain JHP bullet. I excpected him to be knocked over by the bullet. He did not even twitch, but dropped the stone he was about to throw only to pick up a solid rock. He advanced with the rock held over his head with the obvious intent to flatten my head. I fired two more rounds into his chest and he kept coming, showing no signs of distress. My nervous system was by then in a state of collapse and I flinched with the next shot, hitting him relatively low, thus striking the hip joint. This apparently hurt him. He sat down and suffered in silence for a while, then stood up and walked off. After walking a few meters, he got angry again, turned around and came for me once more. I did not shoot again, but he collapsed a few meters from me. I cannot believe in the <stopping power< of heavy, large bullets anymore. We checked the wounds and found that two bullets pentrated clean and the other two were only partially deformed were bone was hit. No mushrooming at all. Unfortunately, I cannot afford another weapon right now, but I reduce the weight of my .45 bullets to about 90grains now and get about 1700ft/s out of it. I hope that with this load I will have more effect if I should need to use the pistol again."

Lesson of the day. Use a quality defensive round. 200gr Gold Dot (lawman is the Speer FMJ brand btw) is known to be garbage in comparison to other options.

RebelRabbi · November 4th, 2009, 05:09 PM

PLACEMENT PLACEMENT PLACEMENT!!!
I'd rather face an inept marksman with a 45 than an expert with a 22.
Make your training as real world as you can possibly imagine including; low light, movement, cover, concealment, reloading and firing from sitting, prone, and supine positions. Gunfighting is a Martial Art, the gun is no better than the survival ability of the person holding it.
BTW I was a really big devotee of the 357 until I learned what the muzzel flash and concussion of one felt like inside an automobile.

Beans · November 4th, 2009, 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RebelRabbi

PLACEMENT PLACEMENT PLACEMENT!!!
BTW I was a really big devotee of the 357 until I learned what the muzzel flash and concussion of one felt like inside an automobile.

Gets your attention don't it

You might also want to try it in a small room at night.

October 28th, 2009, 05:57 PM	#11
ongolo Ex Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Outjo Posts: 4	9mm / 45ACP "He was throwing stones and would not stop. Under the circumstances I could do nothing but shoot him in the shoulder with my .45 ACP pistol loaded with Lawman ammunition which is topped with a 200grain JHP bullet. I excpected him to be knocked over by the bullet. He did not even twitch, but dropped the stone he was about to throw only to pick up a solid rock. He advanced with the rock held over his head with the obvious intent to flatten my head. I fired two more rounds into his chest and he kept coming, showing no signs of distress. My nervous system was by then in a state of collapse and I flinched with the next shot, hitting him relatively low, thus striking the hip joint. This apparently hurt him. He sat down and suffered in silence for a while, then stood up and walked off. After walking a few meters, he got angry again, turned around and came for me once more. I did not shoot again, but he collapsed a few meters from me. I cannot believe in the <stopping power< of heavy, large bullets anymore. We checked the wounds and found that two bullets pentrated clean and the other two were only partially deformed were bone was hit. No mushrooming at all. Unfortunately, I cannot afford another weapon right now, but I reduce the weight of my .45 bullets to about 90grains now and get about 1700ft/s out of it. I hope that with this load I will have more effect if I should need to use the pistol again."

October 28th, 2009, 06:47 PM	#12
OD VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: Vatican City Posts: 3,302	How is this 9mm/45? __________________ OD "Slow down, you'll get a more harmonious outcome...." -------------------------------------------- *"The pistol, learn it well, carry it always ..." - Jeff Cooper*

October 28th, 2009, 11:12 PM	#15
AZ Desertrat Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Tolleson, AZ Posts: 288	everyone needs a good .357 revolver in their collection..... __________________ "Never advance cheerfully on your late opponent without reloading. You may have used your last round, and he may not be properly dead and still spiteful." Major Hugh Pollard, 1920 Glock 19, 20. FNP9, Taurus 85UL, Beretta 92 S&W M29, 60, 66, 686, 10, 36, 40, 42, 64, Ruger Single Six

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October 28th, 2009, 07:08 PM	#13
Barbary Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 373	What was Ongolo posting in response to? I felt like I walked in on the middle of a conversation.

November 4th, 2009, 05:09 PM	#17
RebelRabbi Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Smithfield NC Posts: 16	PLACEMENT PLACEMENT PLACEMENT!!! I'd rather face an inept marksman with a 45 than an expert with a 22. Make your training as real world as you can possibly imagine including; low light, movement, cover, concealment, reloading and firing from sitting, prone, and supine positions. Gunfighting is a Martial Art, the gun is no better than the survival ability of the person holding it. BTW I was a really big devotee of the 357 until I learned what the muzzel flash and concussion of one felt like inside an automobile.