Sacrificing caliber for cost - Page 3

PastorPack · October 31st, 2009, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ASSA9

I ask myself the same thing a while back and the answer was
9MM.
Going up from 9MM gives more recoil and less ammo in the gun
and higher ammo cost with a slight increase in one shot stop(if you
even buy into that thinking)of about 4 to 8 percent at the cost
of at least 10 percent loss on round count in the gun.

Loss of personal performance with follow up shots for me was
hard to guess, but it was over 10 percent with .40-.45
The cost of ammo to practice with was that lower with 9MM
I can buy three boxes of 9MM for what two boxes of 40 or 45 cost
Thats a loss of 33 percent of practice to go up from 9MM to
40 or 45.

Going down from 9MM is the same story in reverse
less power (IE one shot stop)and more cost.

Well put! That was the same conclusion I came to, thus my primary carry is 9mm and BUG is .38 spcl.

kpw · October 31st, 2009, 01:21 PM

I've bought and shot 5 times the amount of 9mm over .45 this past year. Although not the only factor, cost has had something to do with that. I have just as much confidence (or lack of) in modern 9mm ammo as any other caliber for SD so it makes it a no-brainer for me.

10thmtn · October 31st, 2009, 01:24 PM

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Originally Posted by billdeserthills

It [.40] has penetration that beats the pants off of 9mm, about 12 to 15" in ballistic gelatin which is nice to have in todays drug-crazed society.

Really? Do you have a source for this? Every test I've seen puts 9mm, .40, .45, 10mm, .357 Sig, etc within the margin of error. Simply put, all ammo makers are trying to meet the same FBI standard, so (no surprise) they all do.

retsupt99 · October 31st, 2009, 02:09 PM

Someday, when you're 'bigger'

, I'll let you shoot my EDC, a Glock-36 (.45 caliber).

Even my wife can shoot it...but again, it's not for wimps.

Of course you can shoot a .45, and BG's hate the bigger holes.

PastorPack · October 31st, 2009, 03:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by retsupt99

Someday, when you're 'bigger'

, I'll let you shoot my EDC, a Glock-36 (.45 caliber).

Even my wife can shoot it...but again, it's not for wimps.

Of course you can shoot a .45, and BG's hate the bigger holes.

Thanks, Ret. If i'm ever in FL, I'll take you up on that.

nedrgr21 · October 31st, 2009, 04:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gunfan

I really enjoy my handguns and my 10mm handguns are my favorites! I can, if I wish, drop a .40 S&W barrel (accompanied by a lighter recoil spring) into either my Glock Model 20, or DW Razorback and shoot to my heart's content.

No need, just buy 10mm ammo off the shelf - most of it is loaded to 40 specs anyway

. This is really meant, in good faith, as a warning that when buying 10mm ammo, you may not be getting what you think you are.

billdeserthills · November 1st, 2009, 03:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 10thmtn

Really? Do you have a source for this? Every test I've seen puts 9mm, .40, .45, 10mm, .357 Sig, etc within the margin of error. Simply put, all ammo makers are trying to meet the same FBI standard, so (no surprise) they all do.

Do you disbelieve the evidence found done with ballistic gelatin testing? I accept these tests as factual. They show the .40 round to penetrate about double the 9mm if I recall correctly.

B1NKS · November 1st, 2009, 04:34 AM

Many police agencies have switched to .40 pistols because of supposed greater stopping power, as well as still manageable recoil and comparable magazine capacity to a 9mm.

I don't doubt the tests, but I also know that most bullets kill, and the real-world differences are smaller than most people think.

Training and shot placement are considerably more important than caliber. There is a tendency to blame the caliber whenever a combat situation goes wrong, yet unfortunately, training (or lack thereof) is usually to blame.

Backnblack · November 1st, 2009, 07:14 AM

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Originally Posted by archimeech

I even toyed with the idea of getting the Glock .45 subcompact till I realized what kind of kick that thing must have.

It's more of a shove....But I', 6'2" 260lbs.

G19 & G36

SilenceDoGood · November 1st, 2009, 08:37 AM

I carry a .40, but im definitely on the "nine is fine" wagon. Each has advantages and disadvantages i.e. capacity, bullet mass, recoil/follow up shots. I like .40 because I am not very recoil sensitive and I think it's a fine mix of bullet mass and capacity.

October 31st, 2009, 01:21 PM	#22
kpw Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: PA Posts: 1,115	I've bought and shot 5 times the amount of 9mm over .45 this past year. Although not the only factor, cost has had something to do with that. I have just as much confidence (or lack of) in modern 9mm ammo as any other caliber for SD so it makes it a no-brainer for me. __________________ "In a republic this rule ought to be observed: that the majority should not have the predominant power." - -- Marcus Tullius Cicero

October 31st, 2009, 02:09 PM	#24
retsupt99 VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 22,750	Someday, when you're 'bigger', I'll let you shoot my EDC, a Glock-36 (.45 caliber). Even my wife can shoot it...but again, it's not for wimps. Of course you can shoot a .45, and BG's hate the bigger holes. __________________ "That I cannot do." "Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks." *********************************** NRA Life Member

November 1st, 2009, 04:34 AM	#28
B1NKS Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Santee, California Posts: 52	Many police agencies have switched to .40 pistols because of supposed greater stopping power, as well as still manageable recoil and comparable magazine capacity to a 9mm. I don't doubt the tests, but I also know that most bullets kill, and the real-world differences are smaller than most people think. Training and shot placement are considerably more important than caliber. There is a tendency to blame the caliber whenever a combat situation goes wrong, yet unfortunately, training (or lack thereof) is usually to blame. __________________ 9mm Walther P5 Compact .380 and .32 Interarms Walther PPK/S .380 and .32 Interarms Walther PPK

November 1st, 2009, 08:37 AM	#30
SilenceDoGood Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Arizona Posts: 685	I carry a .40, but im definitely on the "nine is fine" wagon. Each has advantages and disadvantages i.e. capacity, bullet mass, recoil/follow up shots. I like .40 because I am not very recoil sensitive and I think it's a fine mix of bullet mass and capacity. __________________ "A government is like fire, a handy servant, but a dangerous master." -- George Washington

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