Winchester 38 special +p+ ranger black talon ammunition - Page 2

glock21guy · May 21st, 2006, 10:22 AM

I have shot .38 spl +P, and .357 mag out of my wifes Ruger SP101 2 1/4. Other than more noise from the .357 it was not all that bad.

Golden Saber +P is used for carry ammo.

absit · May 21st, 2006, 12:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by HighVelocity

Yes, there USED to be. The Ranger SXT line that came in 50 round boxes and used a black lubilox coated bullet in a brass case.
It was eventually replaced by the T line which is a copper colored bullet in a nickel case.

http://www.firearmstactical.com/briefs12.htm

I didn't see Ranger Black Talon anywhere in there.

HighVelocity · May 21st, 2006, 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by absit

I didn't see Ranger Black Talon anywhere in there.

That's because they called it SXT instead of Talon but it was the same black lubilox coated "black talon" bullet.

absit · May 21st, 2006, 05:47 PM

I understand it was the same bullet, hence SXT, but "Ranger Black Talon" sounds like something an auction holder or gunshow guru would use to sell a product that may be one or the other, and could confuse someone into buying an inferior product.

That's why I'm clarifying.

RSSZ · May 22nd, 2006, 04:36 PM

I don't know 'bout the rest of the ammo that was "taimed down" after the origional black bullet,nickle cased,in 20rd "Black" boxes, came out. But this is the ONLY real "Black Talon" ammo ever to be produced IMO.

Don't understand either why no mention of the most(IMO) important thing of all re. this (the origional) loading. The "Reverse Taper Jacket". To me that made the performance of the whole package very unique.

This is my daily CC load in my .45 ACP.

P.S. Have I ever performed any one shot stops,penetration,energy transfer,etc.,etc.,tests on live humans ............ NO.

absit · May 22nd, 2006, 05:21 PM

If you like Black Talon, you'll love Ranger T. Same bullet, less the black (but same reverse taper to produce "talons") and in a new design that doesn't clog with clothing. It's more effective against clothed targets, period.

rimfiredude · May 23rd, 2006, 12:35 AM

thanks for all the info guys i think im going to try the speer 135 gr +p gold dot since a couple people have recomended it.

id just like to say this is the best forum ever! been on a few and this is always the one i look at first because the people are so friendly

artz · May 23rd, 2006, 12:40 AM

I bought a box of federals' personal defense ammo in .38 special
129 gr. JHP. That should do the trick...

Boomer45 · May 25th, 2006, 04:02 PM

I think you will be very happy with the Speer 135gr GDHP Short Barrel ammo. I carry it in my 642, my wife carries it in her 637 and my daughter carries it in her Detective Special. We have tried several other brands and have foud the Speer Short barrel ammo to be very accurate, fast and clean. There is no industry standard for +P+ ammo if I remember correctly, so I would stay away from it. Good shooting and God Bless.

Jungle Work · June 2nd, 2006, 02:39 PM

I believe the Speer Gold Dot 135s are the best in short barreled revolvers. And I've tried them all as my duty gun for many years was a 2 1/2 inch model 19 Smith. Everything from the .357mag Super Vels to the +P+ Treasury Loads. The only other round I liked was the 158grn Winchester FBI Load. With the mags it was "Great Balls of Fire" and with the 110 grn loads it was bad Juju on penitration.

Jungle Work

May 21st, 2006, 10:22 AM	#11
glock21guy Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Colorado Springs, CO Posts: 523	I have shot .38 spl +P, and .357 mag out of my wifes Ruger SP101 2 1/4. Other than more noise from the .357 it was not all that bad. Golden Saber +P is used for carry ammo. __________________ Aaron If you don't protect your self, who will?

May 23rd, 2006, 12:40 AM	#18
artz VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Georgia Posts: 2,115	I bought a box of federals' personal defense ammo in .38 special 129 gr. JHP. That should do the trick... __________________ '' Lord, grant me the serenity for things that I can not change "

May 25th, 2006, 04:02 PM	#19
Boomer45 Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: SW Michigan Posts: 57	I think you will be very happy with the Speer 135gr GDHP Short Barrel ammo. I carry it in my 642, my wife carries it in her 637 and my daughter carries it in her Detective Special. We have tried several other brands and have foud the Speer Short barrel ammo to be very accurate, fast and clean. There is no industry standard for +P+ ammo if I remember correctly, so I would stay away from it. Good shooting and God Bless. __________________ USAF Retired

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May 21st, 2006, 05:47 PM	#14
absit Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Davenport, IA Posts: 110	I understand it was the same bullet, hence SXT, but "Ranger Black Talon" sounds like something an auction holder or gunshow guru would use to sell a product that may be one or the other, and could confuse someone into buying an inferior product. That's why I'm clarifying.

May 22nd, 2006, 04:36 PM	#15
RSSZ Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: USA Posts: 1,847	I don't know 'bout the rest of the ammo that was "taimed down" after the origional black bullet,nickle cased,in 20rd "Black" boxes, came out. But this is the ONLY real "Black Talon" ammo ever to be produced IMO. Don't understand either why no mention of the most(IMO) important thing of all re. this (the origional) loading. The "Reverse Taper Jacket". To me that made the performance of the whole package very unique. This is my daily CC load in my .45 ACP. P.S. Have I ever performed any one shot stops,penetration,energy transfer,etc.,etc.,tests on live humans ............ NO.

May 22nd, 2006, 05:21 PM	#16
absit Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: Davenport, IA Posts: 110	If you like Black Talon, you'll love Ranger T. Same bullet, less the black (but same reverse taper to produce "talons") and in a new design that doesn't clog with clothing. It's more effective against clothed targets, period.

May 23rd, 2006, 12:35 AM	#17
rimfiredude Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: kentucky Posts: 79	thanks for all the info guys i think im going to try the speer 135 gr +p gold dot since a couple people have recomended it. id just like to say this is the best forum ever! been on a few and this is always the one i look at first because the people are so friendly

June 2nd, 2006, 02:39 PM	#20
Jungle Work Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: South of Ol' Tascosa, two miles from water, twenty miles from Hell Posts: 207	I believe the Speer Gold Dot 135s are the best in short barreled revolvers. And I've tried them all as my duty gun for many years was a 2 1/2 inch model 19 Smith. Everything from the .357mag Super Vels to the +P+ Treasury Loads. The only other round I liked was the 158grn Winchester FBI Load. With the mags it was "Great Balls of Fire" and with the 110 grn loads it was bad Juju on penitration. Jungle Work