Should be required for every CCW Holder, In the Gravest Extreme

threefeathers · November 27th, 2008, 11:06 PM

In the Gravest Extreme, Mas Ayoobs primer on carrying and defending the innocent. I'm sending a copy for Christmas to 10 of my friends who carry. I think it is as important to read for the gun owner who carries for defense as the hunter safety course is to a youngster.

bonehead · November 27th, 2008, 11:11 PM

Thanks for the tip. Going to order one right now.

Ram Rod · November 27th, 2008, 11:21 PM

I read that book so many times even before I carried full time! I think it should be part of the basics. An excellent read even 20 years ago....the principles never get old!

wpk · November 27th, 2008, 11:35 PM

Very good book, definitely something everyone should read.

jfl · November 27th, 2008, 11:56 PM

My required reading book is: "Principles of Personal Defense" by Jeff Cooper, the man who among other things established the color code.
I loan the book to each of my students and require that they read it before signing them off; yep, it is not easy to get it back. His emphasis on "Combat mindset" is outstanding.

For me, Ayoobs teach too much when not to shoot; such a conditioning may cost you a second or two in reaction time which may translate into an eternity.
I have been planning to post my detailed thoughts on this subject; hopefully, as things around here slow down a bit, I'll get to it soon.

MP45Man · November 28th, 2008, 12:15 AM

Mass actually sends you one if you sing up for LFI-1. It is the textbook for the course.

retsupt99 · November 28th, 2008, 12:26 AM

I agree...
Good basic book...

threefeathers · November 28th, 2008, 02:12 AM

Yes, the Second book is his Stressfire. I'm probably going to require both of my students. Most of them are retired military and will gobble up the information. I anticipate some interesting discussions.

Sgun Bob · December 1st, 2008, 05:13 PM

I have been reading and rereading the stress fire series and in gravest extreme for many years. They are part of my knowledge base. I also have a well worn copy of Principles of Personal Defense. I find nothing in them mutually exclusive. I also have books on the shelf by Louie Awerbuck and Clint Smith as well as Rensberg, Taylor and others. The point is that the person that is exclusive to one author might just be so exclusive as to miss a piece of the puzzle. Read a bunch, get smart about the subject, use other to contrast what you think you know, be smart, keep in touch with those key building blocks, stay smart always question reality, stretch to find a better way and STAY ALIVE.

By the way, The First Rule of a gunfight is; Have a gun, within reason most any gun will do, after that everything else will work itself out.

Good Luck & Be Safe

stormbringerr · December 2nd, 2008, 02:27 AM

thank god i had a gun; by chris bird is a good book about real life happenings.

November 27th, 2008, 11:06 PM	#1
threefeathers Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 519	Should be required for every CCW Holder, In the Gravest Extreme In the Gravest Extreme, Mas Ayoobs primer on carrying and defending the innocent. I'm sending a copy for Christmas to 10 of my friends who carry. I think it is as important to read for the gun owner who carries for defense as the hunter safety course is to a youngster.

November 27th, 2008, 11:21 PM	#3
Ram Rod VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: crawford county, arkansas Posts: 8,807	I read that book so many times even before I carried full time! I think it should be part of the basics. An excellent read even 20 years ago....the principles never get old! __________________ RamRod-----sans remords live, eat, breathe, sleep Glock

November 27th, 2008, 11:35 PM	#4
wpk Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 274	Very good book, definitely something everyone should read. __________________ "America is a nation of laws; poorly written and randomly enforced." -Frank Zappa

November 27th, 2008, 11:56 PM	#5
jfl Distinguished Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Palm Beach County, FL Posts: 1,349	My required reading book is: "Principles of Personal Defense" by Jeff Cooper, the man who among other things established the color code. I loan the book to each of my students and require that they read it before signing them off; yep, it is not easy to get it back. His emphasis on "Combat mindset" is outstanding. For me, Ayoobs teach too much when not to shoot; such a conditioning may cost you a second or two in reaction time which may translate into an eternity. I have been planning to post my detailed thoughts on this subject; hopefully, as things around here slow down a bit, I'll get to it soon. __________________ The first rule of a gunfight: "Don't be there !" jfl (NRA Life Member/Instructor - GOA - IDPA - GSSF - ex-IHMSA)

November 28th, 2008, 12:26 AM	#7
retsupt99 VIP Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central Florida Posts: 22,720	I agree... Good basic book... __________________ "That I cannot do." "Give this to, uh, Clemenza. I want reliable people, people who aren't going to be carried away. After all we're not murderers in spite of what this undertaker thinks." *********************************** NRA Life Member

November 27th, 2008, 11:11 PM	#2
bonehead Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: The Copper State Posts: 474	Thanks for the tip. Going to order one right now.

November 28th, 2008, 12:15 AM	#6
MP45Man Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: State of Guns and Religion Posts: 835	Mass actually sends you one if you sing up for LFI-1. It is the textbook for the course.

November 28th, 2008, 02:12 AM	#8
threefeathers Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: AZ Posts: 519	Yes, the Second book is his Stressfire. I'm probably going to require both of my students. Most of them are retired military and will gobble up the information. I anticipate some interesting discussions.

December 1st, 2008, 05:13 PM	#9
Sgun Bob New Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Nine Mile Falls, WA Posts: 8	Books on the shelf I have been reading and rereading the stress fire series and in gravest extreme for many years. They are part of my knowledge base. I also have a well worn copy of Principles of Personal Defense. I find nothing in them mutually exclusive. I also have books on the shelf by Louie Awerbuck and Clint Smith as well as Rensberg, Taylor and others. The point is that the person that is exclusive to one author might just be so exclusive as to miss a piece of the puzzle. Read a bunch, get smart about the subject, use other to contrast what you think you know, be smart, keep in touch with those key building blocks, stay smart always question reality, stretch to find a better way and STAY ALIVE. By the way, The First Rule of a gunfight is; Have a gun, within reason most any gun will do, after that everything else will work itself out. Good Luck & Be Safe __________________ First, With The Most, WINS! Regards, Scattergun Bob

December 2nd, 2008, 02:27 AM	#10
stormbringerr Distinguished Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Capitol City, Texas Posts: 1,897	thank god i had a gun; by chris bird is a good book about real life happenings. __________________ later ,Stormbringerr the obstacle is the path...Zen saying -----------------------------------------

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