Ruger LCP - reports of broken trigger mechanism - Warning to LCP owners!

razz · May 13th, 2008, 10:01 PM

Basically when you pull the trigger, it doesn't go bang... bad for a CCW gun.

LCP trigger not working after 37th round - AR15.COM :: Forums :: LCP Ruger broken after 37th round at the range!!!!!!

Another one not working after 177th round - http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...ruger-lcp.html

Another one not working after 240th round - RugerForum.com :: View topic - LCP broken trigger pivot

Another one quit working after 250th round -
KTOG Forum - Ruger LCP Trigger Bar Failure:

Pic by magoo from rugerforum.com

Is this part something that is eventually going to break or do you think these people had defective parts? Also, does dry firing put the same pressure on this part as live firing? I've dry fired about 2,000 times with a snap cap and it still works so far... but only fired about 400 live rounds.

If you have a Ruger LCP, I would try to fire at least 500 rounds before carrying it.

AKsrule · May 13th, 2008, 10:51 PM

Impossible!

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Rustynuts · May 13th, 2008, 11:04 PM

Pics look like a bad part to me. Definitely wring these little guns out well before carrying. I've had two KelTecs fail within 100-rds. One a spring, one a barrel lug.

razz · May 15th, 2008, 12:35 PM

The part that is broken on the picture is the part circled in blue on the above diagram.

QKShooter · May 15th, 2008, 01:47 PM

Looks like a MIM part to me.
Even an investment cast part would not snap off like that.
It's part of the transfer system but, it's not under That Much stress.
I'm calling it a defective Metal Injected Molded part.
Why does that not surprise me?
Oh....when will they ever learn?

There is a line that gun makers should never cross in attempting to cut production costs.
That would be the use of MIM baked slurry metal for critical gun parts.

David in FL · May 15th, 2008, 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by QKShooter

Looks like a MIM part to me.
Even an investment cast part would not snap off like that.
It's part of the transfer system but, it's not under That Much stress.
I'm calling it a defective Metal Injected Molded part.

Have to admit, that was my first thought too.

Just a reminder......Kahr is due out with their little .380 shortly. I know it's gonna be a little more pricey, but I can't wait to see it nonetheless. Sometimes, as this might demonstrate, you do get what you pay for.

QKShooter · May 15th, 2008, 03:08 PM

I have a call in to Ruger Technical Support.
A tech person that handles LCP is supposed to call me back.
I'm going to ask some questions.
Hopefully I won't miss the call-back 'cause I'll be in & out of the house all day today.

No call back from Ruger today. Just FYI

FN1910 · May 15th, 2008, 04:33 PM

WOW!! I did not realize that Ruger copied the P3AT down to the infamous part #115. Are any of the parts interchangable? It appears that the problems are.

joelg · May 15th, 2008, 06:17 PM

I've carried Rugers professionally since 1966. I am severely disappointed in hearing about the LCP, as it raises questions about the other weapons Ruger manufactures and that I have - soon to read "had."

I'm also quite astonished that quite a number of members are talking about breaking in a handgun by firing 300-500 rounds to make sure that they fire and that they work. The weapon could then fail at 301 or 501 rounds. A handgun to me is survival. Never had any of my weapons fail me in the past 60 years, now all of a sudden in the "modern age," you can't rely on anything to work - even people.

I've lived many many years in adverse situations with a 12 gauge and .45 auto and/or a .357 revolver. I pulled the trigger, it worked. No failures ever! Now I find out that this is history...nothing really can be relied upon - and I sold my weapons to get new, more modern ones.

I'm reconsidering going back to a wheelgun, selling what I have. Maybe I should just carry a baseball bat. If I can't trust a weapon, why would I risk carrying it? Am I the only one who's angry about what's going on with the manufacturers? Any really angry letters being sent to Ruger and to the "gun magazines" that promote weapons like this?

Maybe I'm just having a bad day and am aggravated over what used to be called "made in the U.S.," and you could take that to the bank as well-made by American craftsman and well-constructed, reliable, last you for a lifetime like the old Craftsman tools.

Anyhow, no LCP for me...and I'm going to scout around at the next gun show down here and sell what I have, get back into a wheelgun and a collapsable baseball bat as backup...but then the bat may break, even if it's a Louisville slugger <grin> I know, I'm dating myself.

TacticalCompact · May 15th, 2008, 06:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joelg

I've carried Rugers professionally since 1966. I am severely disappointed in hearing about the LCP, as it raises questions about the other weapons Ruger manufactures and that I have - soon to read "had."

I'm also quite astonished that quite a number of members are talking about breaking in a handgun by firing 300-500 rounds to make sure that they fire and that they work. The weapon could then fail at 301 or 501 rounds. A handgun to me is survival. Never had any of my weapons fail me in the past 60 years, now all of a sudden in the "modern age," you can't rely on anything to work - even people.

I've lived many many years in adverse situations with a 12 gauge and .45 auto and/or a .357 revolver. I pulled the trigger, it worked. No failures ever! Now I find out that this is history...nothing really can be relied upon - and I sold my weapons to get new, more modern ones.

I'm reconsidering going back to a wheelgun, selling what I have. Maybe I should just carry a baseball bat. If I can't trust a weapon, why would I risk carrying it? Am I the only one who's angry about what's going on with the manufacturers? Any really angry letters being sent to Ruger and to the "gun magazines" that promote weapons like this?

Maybe I'm just having a bad day and am aggravated over what used to be called "made in the U.S.," and you could take that to the bank as well-made by American craftsman and well-constructed, reliable, last you for a lifetime like the old Craftsman tools.

Anyhow, no LCP for me...and I'm going to scout around at the next gun show down here and sell what I have, get back into a wheelgun and a collapsable baseball bat as backup...but then the bat may break, even if it's a Louisville slugger <grin> I know, I'm dating myself.

Wow. Quite the life-changing event this thread has been for you.

Vaquero 45 · May 15th, 2008, 07:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by joelg

I've carried Rugers professionally since 1966. I am severely disappointed in hearing about the LCP, as it raises questions about the other weapons Ruger manufactures and that I have - soon to read "had."

I'm also quite astonished that quite a number of members are talking about breaking in a handgun by firing 300-500 rounds to make sure that they fire and that they work. The weapon could then fail at 301 or 501 rounds. A handgun to me is survival. Never had any of my weapons fail me in the past 60 years, now all of a sudden in the "modern age," you can't rely on anything to work - even people.

I've lived many many years in adverse situations with a 12 gauge and .45 auto and/or a .357 revolver. I pulled the trigger, it worked. No failures ever! Now I find out that this is history...nothing really can be relied upon - and I sold my weapons to get new, more modern ones.

I'm reconsidering going back to a wheelgun, selling what I have. Maybe I should just carry a baseball bat. If I can't trust a weapon, why would I risk carrying it? Am I the only one who's angry about what's going on with the manufacturers? Any really angry letters being sent to Ruger and to the "gun magazines" that promote weapons like this?

Maybe I'm just having a bad day and am aggravated over what used to be called "made in the U.S.," and you could take that to the bank as well-made by American craftsman and well-constructed, reliable, last you for a lifetime like the old Craftsman tools.

Anyhow, no LCP for me...and I'm going to scout around at the next gun show down here and sell what I have, get back into a wheelgun and a collapsable baseball bat as backup...but then the bat may break, even if it's a Louisville slugger <grin> I know, I'm dating myself.

Nothing wrong with the older Ruger designs. As with any new designs, I'd stay away until they've proven their mettle on the street. The SR9 recall and the early report of LCP problems don't exactly inspire confidence in their new products.

I don't know why some of these companies tend to be penny wise, but pound foolish. How much more would an LCP cost if they didn't use MIM parts? Wouldn't everybody be willing to pay $100 more for an LCP sized gun with proven durability of good quality steel? I know I would. Ruger has enjoyed a reputation for reliable firearms. Is putting out a cheap Kel-Tec copy worth their reputation?

As for Ruger, I'll stick with the proven dependability of their revolvers, rifles, and the good old P series pistols. Got a new P95DC on order, as a matter of fact. No mag disconnect. No ugly loaded chamber warts sticking out from the frame. No key lock. Just a good, solid, reliable DA/SA 9mm pistol.

Wheelguns certainly are reliable, but if you pick a quality autoloader, you likely won't have any problems. The old saying "You get what you pay for" usually applies.

FN1910 · May 15th, 2008, 09:46 PM

joelg; Don't let the Internet experts get to you.

Every now and then you see a post about "Would you trust this gun with your life?" because it had one failure in the first 300 rounds. By the time the thread is through it has been decided that it is better to walk around unarmed than to carry a gun that has had one FTF in 300 rounds. Never mind that it is possible to fail on round 301.

Then we have the argument about plastic and MIM but best of all is the caliber and brand wars. Take a deep breath and quit putting too much faith in all the Internet experts. You have more experience than the vast majority on here.

Side note: In the last 100 years there have been vast improvements and changes in almost every aspect of our lives from medicine to transportation to communications to construction. During all that time that one thing that has barely changed or shown great improvement is guns. The primary design still in use is from before 1911 and the other major design (revolver) is much older than that.

AKsrule · May 15th, 2008, 09:57 PM

Here's the POINT........

Ruger took a DIRT CHEAP Plastic and Stamped pistol - COPIED IT -
and put their NAME ON IT.

Then a bunch of WRITERS told the world it gave them TINGLY FEELINGS
when they shot it.

And a Lot of you guys SWALLOWED THE HOOK.......................

sass20485 · May 15th, 2008, 10:46 PM

I don't have a LCP , BUT I do have MANY Ruger revolvers of all shapes and sizes and I NOT getting RID of ANY of them. EVERY ONE has always worked from day one and they still do. I lost count of how many rounds I got through my Vaqueros, never a problem.

If there is a problem, I'm quite certain Ruger will FIX it.

FN1910 · May 15th, 2008, 11:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AKsrule

Here's the POINT........

Ruger took a DIRT CHEAP Plastic and Stamped pistol - COPIED IT -
and put their NAME ON IT.

Then a bunch of WRITERS told the world it gave them TINGLY FEELINGS
when they shot it.

And a Lot of you guys SWALLOWED THE HOOK.......................

You forgot LINE AND SINKER.

crzy4guns · May 15th, 2008, 11:25 PM

Wow, I really had the hots for an LCP, but after all of this, I think that I will wait awhile longer until they (Ruger) work out all of the bugs. Man o' man, if Smith and Wesson ever comes out with a lightweight J frame, six shot .327 Federal magnum, well I just might have to go that route instead.

MNBurl · May 15th, 2008, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FN1910

WOW!! I did not realize that Ruger copied the P3AT down to the infamous part #115. Are any of the parts interchangable? It appears that the problems are.

My part #115 on my 4 Kel-tecs have never had a problem!

I have not jumped for that hook and not planning on one.

retsupt99 · May 15th, 2008, 11:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by crzy4guns

Wow, I really had the hots for an LCP, but after all of this, I think that I will wait awhile longer until they (Ruger) work out all of the bugs.

I always wait at least a year before thinking about ANY 'new firearm' type for just this reason.

Stay armed...experience counts...stay safe!

frankmako · May 15th, 2008, 11:48 PM

i think i will stay with my p3at. it has the bugs worked out. no reason to do it on a new gun.

rhinokrk · May 16th, 2008, 04:49 AM

I'm a step or two lower than a KT 'koolaid' fan, but I "called the shot" from day one. Everyone thought the LCP would be as reliable as their GP100 or SP101. Ruger copied a $259 dollar pistol, that was (and still is) the smallest, lightest, and thinnest locked breech pistol ever, at a comparable price point. surprise, surprise, there are some problems. KT has been producing this same pistol for over 5 years and has worked most the bugs out.

This is not the first post with problems, I remember one in particular that had a trigger pin work out, and others in general.

BTW, I own 2-1/2 early model P3AT's with 0 malfuntions when I shoot it, with no broken parts.

Sorry to the OP, I honestly hate to see ANY problems someone has with a new firearm, I'm sure Ruger will take care of you.

May 13th, 2008, 10:51 PM	#2
AKsrule Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 854	Impossible! ------------ FAQs - Frequently Asked Questions Q. What is the life expectancy of my Ruger firearm? A. Ruger firearms have a very good reputation for service life. With proper handling and care, you should receive many years of service from our products. However, any firearm may be irreparably damaged in short order by abuse or neglect, so it is impossible to state the life expectancy of any Ruger firearm. ------------------------------ __________________ ------- -SIG , it's What's for Dinner- know your rights! http://www.handgunlaw.us "If I walk in the woods, I feel much more comfortable carrying a gun. What if you meet a bear in the woods that's going to attack you? You shoot it." {Bernhard Goetz}

May 15th, 2008, 01:47 PM	#5
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 24,082	Looks like a MIM part to me. Even an investment cast part would not snap off like that. It's part of the transfer system but, it's not under That Much stress. I'm calling it a defective Metal Injected Molded part. Why does that not surprise me? Oh....when will they ever learn? There is a line that gun makers should never cross in attempting to cut production costs. That would be the use of MIM baked slurry metal for critical gun parts. __________________ Liberty/Tyranny ___________________________ Ain't That A Shame! Be Happy! *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OG3u...1&feature=fvwp*

May 15th, 2008, 03:08 PM	#7
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 24,082	I have a call in to Ruger Technical Support. A tech person that handles LCP is supposed to call me back. I'm going to ask some questions. Hopefully I won't miss the call-back 'cause I'll be in & out of the house all day today. No call back from Ruger today. Just FYI __________________ Liberty/Tyranny ___________________________ Ain't That A Shame! Be Happy! *http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2OG3u...1&feature=fvwp*

May 15th, 2008, 06:17 PM	#9
joelg Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: South Florida Posts: 208	I've carried Rugers professionally since 1966. I am severely disappointed in hearing about the LCP, as it raises questions about the other weapons Ruger manufactures and that I have - soon to read "had." I'm also quite astonished that quite a number of members are talking about breaking in a handgun by firing 300-500 rounds to make sure that they fire and that they work. The weapon could then fail at 301 or 501 rounds. A handgun to me is survival. Never had any of my weapons fail me in the past 60 years, now all of a sudden in the "modern age," you can't rely on anything to work - even people. I've lived many many years in adverse situations with a 12 gauge and .45 auto and/or a .357 revolver. I pulled the trigger, it worked. No failures ever! Now I find out that this is history...nothing really can be relied upon - and I sold my weapons to get new, more modern ones. I'm reconsidering going back to a wheelgun, selling what I have. Maybe I should just carry a baseball bat. If I can't trust a weapon, why would I risk carrying it? Am I the only one who's angry about what's going on with the manufacturers? Any really angry letters being sent to Ruger and to the "gun magazines" that promote weapons like this? Maybe I'm just having a bad day and am aggravated over what used to be called "made in the U.S.," and you could take that to the bank as well-made by American craftsman and well-constructed, reliable, last you for a lifetime like the old Craftsman tools. Anyhow, no LCP for me...and I'm going to scout around at the next gun show down here and sell what I have, get back into a wheelgun and a collapsable baseball bat as backup...but then the bat may break, even if it's a Louisville slugger <grin> I know, I'm dating myself. __________________ Semper Vigilantia - Semper Paratus NRA Life Member

May 15th, 2008, 09:57 PM	#13
AKsrule Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 854	Here's the POINT........ Ruger took a DIRT CHEAP Plastic and Stamped pistol - COPIED IT - and put their NAME ON IT. Then a bunch of WRITERS told the world it gave them TINGLY FEELINGS when they shot it. And a Lot of you guys SWALLOWED THE HOOK....................... __________________ ------- -SIG , it's What's for Dinner- know your rights! http://www.handgunlaw.us "If I walk in the woods, I feel much more comfortable carrying a gun. What if you meet a bear in the woods that's going to attack you? You shoot it." {Bernhard Goetz}

May 13th, 2008, 10:01 PM	#1
razz Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA Posts: 154	Ruger LCP - reports of broken trigger mechanism - Warning to LCP owners! Basically when you pull the trigger, it doesn't go bang... bad for a CCW gun. LCP trigger not working after 37th round - AR15.COM :: Forums :: LCP Ruger broken after 37th round at the range!!!!!! Another one not working after 177th round - http://www.defensivecarry.com/vbulle...ruger-lcp.html Another one not working after 240th round - RugerForum.com :: View topic - LCP broken trigger pivot Another one quit working after 250th round - KTOG Forum - Ruger LCP Trigger Bar Failure: Pic by magoo from rugerforum.com Is this part something that is eventually going to break or do you think these people had defective parts? Also, does dry firing put the same pressure on this part as live firing? I've dry fired about 2,000 times with a snap cap and it still works so far... but only fired about 400 live rounds. If you have a Ruger LCP, I would try to fire at least 500 rounds before carrying it.

May 13th, 2008, 11:04 PM	#3
Rustynuts Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 667	Pics look like a bad part to me. Definitely wring these little guns out well before carrying. I've had two KelTecs fail within 100-rds. One a spring, one a barrel lug.

May 15th, 2008, 12:35 PM	#4
razz Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: USA Posts: 154	The part that is broken on the picture is the part circled in blue on the above diagram.

May 15th, 2008, 04:33 PM	#8
FN1910 Ex Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SC Posts: 1,236	WOW!! I did not realize that Ruger copied the P3AT down to the infamous part #115. Are any of the parts interchangable? It appears that the problems are.

May 15th, 2008, 09:46 PM	#12
FN1910 Ex Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SC Posts: 1,236	joelg; Don't let the Internet experts get to you. Every now and then you see a post about "Would you trust this gun with your life?" because it had one failure in the first 300 rounds. By the time the thread is through it has been decided that it is better to walk around unarmed than to carry a gun that has had one FTF in 300 rounds. Never mind that it is possible to fail on round 301. Then we have the argument about plastic and MIM but best of all is the caliber and brand wars. Take a deep breath and quit putting too much faith in all the Internet experts. You have more experience than the vast majority on here. Side note: In the last 100 years there have been vast improvements and changes in almost every aspect of our lives from medicine to transportation to communications to construction. During all that time that one thing that has barely changed or shown great improvement is guns. The primary design still in use is from before 1911 and the other major design (revolver) is much older than that.

May 15th, 2008, 10:46 PM	#14
sass20485 Distinguished Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Central FL Posts: 1,944	I don't have a LCP , BUT I do have MANY Ruger revolvers of all shapes and sizes and I NOT getting RID of ANY of them. EVERY ONE has always worked from day one and they still do. I lost count of how many rounds I got through my Vaqueros, never a problem. If there is a problem, I'm quite certain Ruger will FIX it.

May 15th, 2008, 11:25 PM	#16
crzy4guns VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,327	Wow, I really had the hots for an LCP, but after all of this, I think that I will wait awhile longer until they (Ruger) work out all of the bugs. Man o' man, if Smith and Wesson ever comes out with a lightweight J frame, six shot .327 Federal magnum, well I just might have to go that route instead. __________________ Kick the bums out of congress. Vote in 2010!

May 15th, 2008, 11:48 PM	#19
frankmako VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 2,776	i think i will stay with my p3at. it has the bugs worked out. no reason to do it on a new gun. __________________ An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. Red State State of Mind

May 16th, 2008, 04:49 AM	#20
rhinokrk Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 849	I'm a step or two lower than a KT 'koolaid' fan, but I "called the shot" from day one. Everyone thought the LCP would be as reliable as their GP100 or SP101. Ruger copied a $259 dollar pistol, that was (and still is) the smallest, lightest, and thinnest locked breech pistol ever, at a comparable price point. surprise, surprise, there are some problems. KT has been producing this same pistol for over 5 years and has worked most the bugs out. This is not the first post with problems, I remember one in particular that had a trigger pin work out, and others in general. BTW, I own 2-1/2 early model P3AT's with 0 malfuntions when I shoot it, with no broken parts. Sorry to the OP, I honestly hate to see ANY problems someone has with a new firearm, I'm sure Ruger will take care of you. __________________ Get the U.N. out of the U.S. Get the U.S. out of the U.N.

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