Why can't "they" make a 9mm the size of the Ruger LCP? - Page 2

cwblanco · July 9th, 2008, 11:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shizzlemah

The .380 frames are blowback operated. The barrel stays fixed and the slide comes back.

Everything that I have read about the LCP says that it is not a blowback. Your comment is the first that I have read to suggest otherwise.

JD · July 9th, 2008, 11:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shizzlemah

There are some physical issues with a tiny 9mm.

The .380 frames are blowback operated. The barrel stays fixed and the slide comes back.

LOL, tell that to my Colt Mustangs...

Chooie · July 9th, 2008, 11:27 PM

KT P3AT is not blowback...

chuck brick · July 9th, 2008, 11:34 PM

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Originally Posted by mmargotta

What about the Kel-Tec PF9?
Heard some good things about it.......

I like mine well enough. Dependable, fairly light, handles +P (though not recommended as a "steady diet"), under an inch thick (barely). Carry it in a pocket sometimes (not all pants pockets are large enough though), AIWB sometimes, IWB mostly. I rarely carry a BUG, but if I do it's likely this one.

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Originally Posted by JD

LOL, tell that to my Colt Mustangs...

And the P3AT and P32 KelTecs.

Stay safe,

Chuck Brick.

imthduke · July 9th, 2008, 11:51 PM

No blow back here....

PSIShapiro · July 10th, 2008, 01:01 AM

A local store in my area has these and after double checking the specs, it's near identical in size.

SCCY CPX-1

obxned · July 10th, 2008, 11:12 AM

The design and metallurgy problems would be nightmares, Since the 9mm is longer and loaded to much higher pressure than the .380. Since grip size would be very tiny, it could be very unpleasant to shoot.

Ammunition is another problem. Even at the 9mm's higher pressures, just how much greater performance could you get than is already available from hot modern .380 ammo? Not much, I suspect.

Rustynuts · July 10th, 2008, 07:28 PM

No +P in the Rohrbaugh. PF-9 is the closest you'll come if you want to shoot that, plus it's lighter than the Rohr.

Rmart30 · July 10th, 2008, 09:29 PM

the PF9's are getting some pretty good comments on the keltec owners group website.
I have a P32 and P11 and both have done well.

Redneck Repairs · July 10th, 2008, 10:27 PM

Imho its neither pressure , nor timing which can both be fixed ( albeit expensively ) . It is rather the fact that the formfactor ( size of frame ect ) of the p3at or lcp wont allow a longer round and still reliably feed . It could i suppose be done , but at a cost of case head support that would be both dangerous and prohibitive given 9mm pressures . I think that the Rorabaugh ( sp ) is the pinicle of small for the 9mm and at a high expense . If your " frugal " like me then the Kahr pm9 is about as small as you can go nowadays . Neither is cheap , but the kahr is more affordable and my " niche " doesnt value the smaller size of the Rorabaugh ( again sp?) enough to pay the tarrif in both original purchase or the attendant spring replacement costs as normal service .

July 9th, 2008, 11:27 PM	#13
Chooie Distinguished Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Virginia Posts: 1,782	KT P3AT is not blowback... __________________ -Joe Quando omni flunkus, moritati. Virginia Citizens Defense League Rustburg, VA Volunteer Rescue Squad

July 9th, 2008, 11:51 PM	#15
imthduke Member Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Sweet Home Alabama Posts: 265	No blow back here.... __________________ "The difference between genius and stupidity is that genius has it's limits." http://www.treasureislandbedandbreakfast.com Ed Brown Kobra Carry/HK P7M8/HK P30/HK P2000SK/Sig P239SAS/Colt Defender/Colt Mustang Pocketlite/Colt 1911/Rohrbaugh R9/Kimber Covert Ultra II/S&W386/Walter PPK(1966)

July 10th, 2008, 11:12 AM	#17
obxned VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: OBX, NC Posts: 2,237	The design and metallurgy problems would be nightmares, Since the 9mm is longer and loaded to much higher pressure than the .380. Since grip size would be very tiny, it could be very unpleasant to shoot. Ammunition is another problem. Even at the 9mm's higher pressures, just how much greater performance could you get than is already available from hot modern .380 ammo? Not much, I suspect. __________________ http://www.obxammo.com/ There is only one gun law in this country, the 2nd Amendment. All else is bureaucratic nonsense that I choose to comply with or not at my discretion. When governments make laws, they must consider the unintended consequences.

July 10th, 2008, 10:27 PM	#20
Redneck Repairs VIP Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Colorado Posts: 5,141	Imho its neither pressure , nor timing which can both be fixed ( albeit expensively ) . It is rather the fact that the formfactor ( size of frame ect ) of the p3at or lcp wont allow a longer round and still reliably feed . It could i suppose be done , but at a cost of case head support that would be both dangerous and prohibitive given 9mm pressures . I think that the Rorabaugh ( sp ) is the pinicle of small for the 9mm and at a high expense . If your " frugal " like me then the Kahr pm9 is about as small as you can go nowadays . Neither is cheap , but the kahr is more affordable and my " niche " doesnt value the smaller size of the Rorabaugh ( again sp?) enough to pay the tarrif in both original purchase or the attendant spring replacement costs as normal service . __________________ Make sure you get full value out of today , Do something worthwhile, because what you do today will cost you one day off the rest of your life . We only begin to understand folks after we stop and think . Criminals are looking for victims, not opponents.

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July 10th, 2008, 01:01 AM	#16
PSIShapiro Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Illinois Posts: 68	A local store in my area has these and after double checking the specs, it's near identical in size. SCCY CPX-1

July 10th, 2008, 07:28 PM	#18
Rustynuts Senior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 629	No +P in the Rohrbaugh. PF-9 is the closest you'll come if you want to shoot that, plus it's lighter than the Rohr.

July 10th, 2008, 09:29 PM	#19
Rmart30 Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: Birmingham Alabama Posts: 45	the PF9's are getting some pretty good comments on the keltec owners group website. I have a P32 and P11 and both have done well.