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Old February 15th, 2009, 12:45 AM   #141
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I hope you are right. The magazine release was my largest concern. The rest of it the new shooter can take care of. I'll be posting a thread in the classifieds as soon as it gets back.
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Old February 18th, 2009, 12:12 AM   #142
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Ruger LCP Recall Info

I'm a retired Navy Combat Systems engineer with small arms experience and it appears to me (from studying the LCP schematics) that the Ruger LCP recall is based on the possibility that the firing pin is free-floating and therefore it is possible that if dropped from sufficient height on the muzzle, the inertia of the firing pin could strike the primer with sufficient force to cause the LCP to fire. My son and I each have a 370 prefix LCP and have received return packages from Ruger but are now wondering if a modification really makes sense. This issue is not without precedent in handguns (I believe (know) that it was an issue with the 1911 (Gov't and pre-series 80 Colt comm'l) pistols as well as many others). Common sense handling would be in order as always and we may just be "pole vaulting over mouse turds" on this issue. I assume this recall will install some sort of firing pin block but what does that do to reliability, trigger pull, etc? Has anyone had the recall installed and did a "before and after" test? Personally, I'm not sure that this recall is really necessary (I like my LCP just as it is!).
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Old February 18th, 2009, 11:40 AM   #143
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I'm a retired Navy Combat Systems engineer with small arms experience and it appears to me (from studying the LCP schematics) that the Ruger LCP recall is based on the possibility that the firing pin is free-floating and therefore it is possible that if dropped from sufficient height on the muzzle, the inertia of the firing pin could strike the primer with sufficient force to cause the LCP to fire. My son and I each have a 370 prefix LCP and have received return packages from Ruger but are now wondering if a modification really makes sense. This issue is not without precedent in handguns (I believe (know) that it was an issue with the 1911 (Gov't and pre-series 80 Colt comm'l) pistols as well as many others). Common sense handling would be in order as always and we may just be "pole vaulting over mouse turds" on this issue. I assume this recall will install some sort of firing pin block but what does that do to reliability, trigger pull, etc? Has anyone had the recall installed and did a "before and after" test? Personally, I'm not sure that this recall is really necessary (I like my LCP just as it is!).
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I just got my LCP back. I will probably sell it as soon as I get the 'pinky extension', but we'll see.

The only part of the recall that is actually worth it is the larger slide lock.
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Old February 18th, 2009, 01:08 PM   #144
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Since this is the second recent recall from Ruger, it seems they are having design or quality issues. While it is nice of Ruger to recall the weapon and give us a free magazine, I have lost a lot of confidence in their products. I am done with Ruger.
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Old February 18th, 2009, 11:27 PM   #145
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Ruger LCP Recall Info

My son's LCP is a later production than mine and has the raised slide stop which I found to be nice. I think I'll advise him not to return his pistol but I'll probably return mine just to get that feature. I don't know why there is so much negativism regarding Rugar out there. They build outstanding products and show integrity by recognizing a potential error and making it right by a recall. This is an expensive process and I'm sure Rugar doesn't undertake something of this magnitude lightly. I say give 'em a break.
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Old February 19th, 2009, 01:19 AM   #146
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My son's LCP is a later production than mine and has the raised slide stop which I found to be nice. I think I'll advise him not to return his pistol but I'll probably return mine just to get that feature. I don't know why there is so much negativism regarding Rugar out there. They build outstanding products and show integrity by recognizing a potential error and making it right by a recall. This is an expensive process and I'm sure Rugar doesn't undertake something of this magnitude lightly. I say give 'em a break.
Maybe people are hard on ruger because they copied a pistol that was drop proof, yet there's were not.
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Old February 19th, 2009, 02:58 AM   #147
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Some thoughts on recent posts.
The better slide hold-back was available before the recall. They offered to replace it for me without cost, but I decided to let them send me one for free and replaced it myself. I am a novice at working on guns. I've seldom done more than field strip, clean and lube. I found it fairly easy to do.

There were several items dealt with in the recall process. From memory they include.
  • Replacing the hammer block.
  • Adding a roll pin to stiffen the mag release. They now replace the plastic mag release with a metalic one.
  • Mill the are that was showing peening on some units.
  • Refind the barrel throat to make it less suseptable to out of spec ammo.
  • Replace slide hold-back.

Ruger instituted a recall based on 3 reported AD from falls on a hard surface out of approximately 60,000 units sold at the time of the recall.

Those who denegrate Ruger for instituting a recall should know that several industry experts have said that there are several manufactures that should have had a recall but did not. I don't know if the P3AT was one of those.

Mine was reliable before being recall processed.

It was reliable after my novice work to replace the slide hold-back.

It is reliable after the recall process.
Lastly, there is considerable uninformed opinion expressed in this thread.
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Old February 19th, 2009, 04:57 AM   #148
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Sent my LCP in and got it back a few days ago.
I had to wait a few months after calling to get the shipping box from
Ruger they were waiting on a part to come in. Once they sent me
the shipping box I had it back in a little over a week.
Ruger includes a free hat and 6rd Mag for the trouble.
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Thanks for the replies. My LCP is on it's way to Ruger. Sounds like the upgrade has some nice features.
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My/our opinion is that the only really reliable safety is the connection between the brain and the trigger finger. Mechanical safeties, regardless of the type, are only a very poor back up for those who are forgetful, drunk or careless; and they shouldn't be handling a gun at all.
Though there is truth the the fact that you should never depend on the safty vs your trigger finger... there is clearly a serious issue with a gun that fires when it falls because a gun that will fire under such conditions may also discharged if it were hit by a basball hat, hammer etc... this is not some sort of fantasy, it's easy to think that a LCP recall is a "none issue" until you think about the possability of being hit by an attacker around your belly or hip by a blunt object (where most people carry) and the gun fires unintentionally only to blow chunks of your own flesh off... that does not seem like a "none issue" to me.

If those gun slingers considered unintentional discharges a "none issue" why would they carry the hammer down on an empty chamber on those colt SAA types?
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