boscobeans

"When the manual safety is disengaged, Smith & Wesson’s Product Engineering Group has determined that the possibility exists in certain firearms that lowering the hammer may cause a chambered round to fire."

I might be reading this wrong but how do you lower the hammer on a PPK/PPKS if the safety is disengaged, without pulling the trigger ??

Disengaged ? Means released or turned off (safety is off)
Engage ? Means activated or turned on (safety is on)
I am still confused...

bosco

CharlieP

I think these PPK's have a decocker/safety lever on the left side of the slide. The decocker may have its own hammer block. It sounds like the problem does not occur with the decocker/safety engaged, only with the hammer down and the safety off. Many people carry these pistols this way. But there are 2 ways to lower the hammer: 1) with the decocker, 2) manually by pulling the trigger while holding the hammer. The wording of the recall is confusing because it can be interpreted in different ways. See my post above.

boscobeans

"But there are 2 ways to lower the hammer: 1) with the decocker"

Right two ways.. But using the decocker would be ENGAGING the safety.

Once the safety is engaged there is no way that the hammer will stay in the cocked position, it will always fall to the hammer block. If the safety is disengaged the hammer will stay cocked until you PULL TRIGGER or ENGAGE THE SAFETY.
bosco

boscobeans

Clarification from WALTHER....

When you have your pistol loaded with 1 in the chamber and the gun is on SAFE (meaning there is a hammer block holding the hammer back a fraction of an inch) there can be a discharge when the hammer travels that fraction of an inch from the blocked position when you disengage the safety.

Sounds like the hammer block (safety) is more of a sear and instead of rolling the hammer down it drops it like a rock.

bosco

CharlieP

Yep, that's right. But then you can drop the hammer with the decocker/safety and THEN disengage the safety, which will leave the hammer down and the safety off. This is all pretty clear - what is not clear is the recall statement.

That does not make sense to me, but then I am not all that familiar with the new PPK's. It would seem that if that very small movement of the hammer when the safety is released could cause an AD, then a blow to the hammer with the safety off could do the same - and would be more likely. But then maybe the firing pin block is linked to the safety somehow - although that does not make sense to me.

boscobeans

It appears that the act of disengaging the safety (causing the hammer to snap off a round) is the culprit not just carrying with hammer down and 1 in the pipe.

My German ppk sort of rolled the hammer down not letting it snap forward.
bosco

purpledragon

Has anyone gotten the label to send theirs back yet? I registered the night this went up and haven't gotten anything yet.

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windowman2

Same timing for me. I've not seen anything yet.

ctr

Me either. S&W waits too much longer, mine is going in for a trade. Darn tired of the S&W Walther quality issues.

eethomas

Nope. I also registered the night the recall was issued and haven't received anything yet.

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