Hume 715 vs. High Noon Mr. Softy - Page 5

youngda9 · June 25th, 2008, 07:40 PM

He PM'd me stating "The common variable is a lot of gun forum people are jerks."

He came here, having having self admitted problems in other forums, with a chip on his shoulder....and showed it to us in 8 days(June 18th join date).

He never mentioned "limitations" until post #20. Not sure he really said he had them...but it was after much of the gun-belt suggestions and defensiveness happened.

As I said earlier, you take people's advice...filter what you want, and move on. We are all just trying to help. Perhaps you don't want to hear it...oh well.

Best of luck to him on his search.

Jaystekan · June 25th, 2008, 07:43 PM

I tried my best to answer the OPs question. The title of this particular thread asked for advice on holsters. It really is none of our business as to why this person didn't want/have/need a gun belt, the simple fact was that it was not an option for him. While more info about why no proper gunbelt may have helped soothe our curiosity, his limitations toward not wanting/having a gunbelt, honestly is not our business. If he didn't want to tell us he couldn't afford one, or if he didn't want to explain his medical conditions, then who are we to have an attitude towards him for wanting his privacy? There were a few ways to handle this. One was to answer his question about the holsters as best we could, given the info he gave. Two, would have been to simply ignore the thread because he didn't want to give us the info we wanted. Three, we could give him a hard time and run him out of town. Sure his attitude wasn't the greatest, but it is my belief that we should be above resorting to attitudes ourselves and simply do our best to help them out. I for one went months without a "proper" gunbelt when I was just starting off ccwing and had no ill side effects. Telling a new poster to " not let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya"

to me seems a little rude and is kinda embarassing that someone on THIS FORUM would act this way to a new ccwer looking for advice, attitude or not. We were all new at some point in time. I for one have seen this type of attitude on other forums, and because of it, I avoid them, and I thought/hoped that this forum was above that, which it usually is. I for one feel kinda bad for the OP and I hope i was able to answer his original question. Unfortunately, this person has left the forum, let's just hope that he was able to take some good advice with him/her.

youngda9 · June 25th, 2008, 08:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jaystekan

Telling a new poster to " not let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya"

to me seems a little rude and is kinda embarassing that someone on THIS FORUM would act this way to a new ccwer looking for advice, attitude or not.

After the attutude and insulting/rude PM to me, I thought it was justified...and a civil way to say what I really would have liked to

If you have attitude and are being a jerk, people are going to call you on it...and they did. I don't care if you are new or not. He didn't want to reverse course after several of us asked him to realize that everyone was trying to help. He was just looking for a scrap IMHO...I hope he isn't like that while he's carrying.

Craiger · June 25th, 2008, 10:49 PM

I had a similar conversation as this thread with someone who is now a friend of mine.
He always wore sweats with the tie string in the front but wanted to be able to carry so he could protect his wife and child.
But he would not even listen to anything about a belt so I just let it drop, but as Time went on I picked up on little things like he always wore loose fitting clothes did not wear a seat belt when driving hated hot weather. I later ( about a year or so later) found out he was the organizer of his chapter of burn victims group he had massive skin grafts and scaring from a pulp paper mill explosion making it imposable for him to wear a gun belt or any belt for that mater but this thread reminded me of his “If you had my reasons you would not wear a belt either”

I guess what I learned is things are not always what they seem.
He was just so stuborn he refused tell me about his burns.
and was willing to fight tooth and nail about how he did not need one.
I'm not saying this is the case here, But maybe somthing think about.

Kerbouchard · June 25th, 2008, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Craiger

I had a similar conversation as this thread with someone who is now a friend of mine.
He always wore sweats with the tie string in the front but wanted to be able to carry so he could protect his wife and child.
But he would not even listen to anything about a belt so I just let it drop, but as Time went on I picked up on little things like he always wore loose fitting clothes did not wear a seat belt when driving hated hot weather. I later ( about a year or so later) found out he was the organizer of his chapter of burn victims group he had massive skin grafts and scaring from a pulp paper mill explosion making it imposable for him to wear a gun belt or any belt for that mater but this thread reminded me of his “If you had my reasons you would not wear a belt either”

I guess what I learned is things are not always what they seem.
He was just so stubborn he refused tell me about his burns.
and was willing to fight tooth and nail about how he did not need one.
I'm not saying this is the case here, But maybe something think about.

That could easily be the case, or something similar. That's why he got recommendations on pocket carry, smartcarry, smaller weapons, lighter weapons, and others. The waist is not the only place to carry a firearm. You also don't need a $100 'gunbelt'. Any belt that is stiff enough, and wide enough to support a holster will do. I call those gunbelts, whether they are made by Dickie's or Rafter or Beltman.

I believe the "That's a worthless piece of advice" stuff was what turned this thread sour.

I, too, am sorry that somebody got a bad impression of this forum, but by the OP's own admission, it isn't the first forum that it happened. I tend to agree with youngda's assesment of the common variable...

Cloudpeak · June 26th, 2008, 09:06 AM

Wow! Things really are "bigger" in Texas

Cloudpeak

JerryM · June 26th, 2008, 12:32 PM

I notice that there is a tendency to say, "You don't really want what you are saying, and it should be such and such."
Often those comments are not helpful in solving the problem or answering the question.
If a person wants to carry a 1911 OWB and asks a question about a holster it is not productive to immediately tell him that he doesn't really want to carry OWB and should go to IWB.
Sometimes I just want to say "Answer the guy's question."

In addition, however, it is fine to suggest alternatives based upon personal experience with other means. A good example of that is when one wants a SOB, it is well to caution of the dangers of damage to the spine if one falls on the gun.

When one asks for advice and has something in mind that experience shows is seriously flawed there is nothing wrong with pointing out the problems with what he desires to do.

I think that was, in large measure, what happened here. His intentions as stated would make carrying most guns very difficult in the way of stability and comfort.
If he had problems that dictated such then he should state them and we could help him work around them maybe.

But if one already knows what he intends why a question? In this case the question revolved around two holsters, but also about belts.
[Also how is the High Noon clip without a gun-style belt (like, say a canvas belt, flimsy leather belt, or no belt)? Looks like it might not work well without a serious belt.]

I don't think it was unreasonable to tell him that such belts (flimsy) do not work well, and he should consider a better option.

We do try to give good advice here, and sometimes maybe we over react to such questions, but if one is not willing to consider the answers he should not ask. If one wants to carry a steel 1911 with no belt and sweat pants, then I cannot help him if that is set in concrete.

Regards,
Jerry

June 25th, 2008, 07:40 PM	#41
youngda9 Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Fort Wayne, IN Posts: 488	He PM'd me stating "The common variable is a lot of gun forum people are jerks." He came here, having having self admitted problems in other forums, with a chip on his shoulder....and showed it to us in 8 days(June 18th join date). He never mentioned "limitations" until post #20. Not sure he really said he had them...but it was after much of the gun-belt suggestions and defensiveness happened. As I said earlier, you take people's advice...filter what you want, and move on. We are all just trying to help. Perhaps you don't want to hear it...oh well. Best of luck to him on his search. __________________ Speak softly, and carry a big stick.

June 25th, 2008, 07:43 PM	#42
Jaystekan Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NC Posts: 470	I tried my best to answer the OPs question. The title of this particular thread asked for advice on holsters. It really is none of our business as to why this person didn't want/have/need a gun belt, the simple fact was that it was not an option for him. While more info about why no proper gunbelt may have helped soothe our curiosity, his limitations toward not wanting/having a gunbelt, honestly is not our business. If he didn't want to tell us he couldn't afford one, or if he didn't want to explain his medical conditions, then who are we to have an attitude towards him for wanting his privacy? There were a few ways to handle this. One was to answer his question about the holsters as best we could, given the info he gave. Two, would have been to simply ignore the thread because he didn't want to give us the info we wanted. Three, we could give him a hard time and run him out of town. Sure his attitude wasn't the greatest, but it is my belief that we should be above resorting to attitudes ourselves and simply do our best to help them out. I for one went months without a "proper" gunbelt when I was just starting off ccwing and had no ill side effects. Telling a new poster to " not let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya" to me seems a little rude and is kinda embarassing that someone on THIS FORUM would act this way to a new ccwer looking for advice, attitude or not. We were all new at some point in time. I for one have seen this type of attitude on other forums, and because of it, I avoid them, and I thought/hoped that this forum was above that, which it usually is. I for one feel kinda bad for the OP and I hope i was able to answer his original question. Unfortunately, this person has left the forum, let's just hope that he was able to take some good advice with him/her. __________________ Remember, no matter where you go, there you are.

June 25th, 2008, 10:49 PM	#44
Craiger Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Vermont USA Posts: 236	I had a similar conversation as this thread with someone who is now a friend of mine. He always wore sweats with the tie string in the front but wanted to be able to carry so he could protect his wife and child. But he would not even listen to anything about a belt so I just let it drop, but as Time went on I picked up on little things like he always wore loose fitting clothes did not wear a seat belt when driving hated hot weather. I later ( about a year or so later) found out he was the organizer of his chapter of burn victims group he had massive skin grafts and scaring from a pulp paper mill explosion making it imposable for him to wear a gun belt or any belt for that mater but this thread reminded me of his “If you had my reasons you would not wear a belt either” I guess what I learned is things are not always what they seem. He was just so stuborn he refused tell me about his burns. and was willing to fight tooth and nail about how he did not need one. I'm not saying this is the case here, But maybe somthing think about. __________________ 1911PW USMC Precision Accuracy & Combat Toughness http://www.1911pw.com

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June 26th, 2008, 09:06 AM	#46
Cloudpeak Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Wyoming Posts: 193	Wow! Things really are "bigger" in Texas Cloudpeak

June 26th, 2008, 12:32 PM	#47
JerryM Distinguished Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,694	I notice that there is a tendency to say, "You don't really want what you are saying, and it should be such and such." Often those comments are not helpful in solving the problem or answering the question. If a person wants to carry a 1911 OWB and asks a question about a holster it is not productive to immediately tell him that he doesn't really want to carry OWB and should go to IWB. Sometimes I just want to say "Answer the guy's question." In addition, however, it is fine to suggest alternatives based upon personal experience with other means. A good example of that is when one wants a SOB, it is well to caution of the dangers of damage to the spine if one falls on the gun. When one asks for advice and has something in mind that experience shows is seriously flawed there is nothing wrong with pointing out the problems with what he desires to do. I think that was, in large measure, what happened here. His intentions as stated would make carrying most guns very difficult in the way of stability and comfort. If he had problems that dictated such then he should state them and we could help him work around them maybe. But if one already knows what he intends why a question? In this case the question revolved around two holsters, but also about belts. [Also how is the High Noon clip without a gun-style belt (like, say a canvas belt, flimsy leather belt, or no belt)? Looks like it might not work well without a serious belt.] I don't think it was unreasonable to tell him that such belts (flimsy) do not work well, and he should consider a better option. We do try to give good advice here, and sometimes maybe we over react to such questions, but if one is not willing to consider the answers he should not ask. If one wants to carry a steel 1911 with no belt and sweat pants, then I cannot help him if that is set in concrete. Regards, Jerry