revelator

This would be for a S&W SW9VE

Any comments or comparisons from those who have seen or handled both?

Also how is the High Noon clip without a gun-style belt (like, say a canvas belt, flimsy leather belt, or no belt)? Looks like it might not work well without a serious belt.

I would be using this for either appendix carry or about 4:00.

Are there other options in the same price range that I should consider?

Thx-

fatboy97

Sorry, but I have to say it - Why would you consider wearing a holster and gun without having "a serious belt"?

I've owned a High Noon Mr. Softy... did not really like the way it felt, too soft. I do own a Don Hume H715 right now... It is a lot more solid feel to the holster when I need to wear this type of holster.

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revelator

well, because I don't wear "a serious belt".

If I wear a belt, it's a soft leather belt (with jeans) or a canvas belt (with cargo shorts). It's just a fashion thing, and pretty much non-negotiable. So I'm hoping to find an IWB holster that I can use that may work without particular belt requirements.

Looks like the Hume has a belt clip more compatible with the non-gun-belt-clad set.

Moga

In all likelihood, you are not going to have a good experience wearing a gun without a gun belt. Fashion accesssory belts just aren't meant to withstand several pounds of stuff hanging from it. Not to mention you want your holster to remain stationary and your gun to break clean with your draw if your ever called to clear leather in a dire strait. Your choice of a fashion belt will seriously impede accomplishing that goal, perhaps to your final detriment.

Are you sure your dead set against wearing a gun belt? No offense, but if so, are you sure your serious about personal defense? A proper belt, well made holster, and reliable firearm are essential tools of the trade. I wouldn't think you'd want to compromise on any of those in a true life or death confrontation.

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revelator

I figured this would come up, just surprised it did so quickly!

Thread immediately goes off-topic!

I've lived nearly 36 years without carrying a gun at all.

Are you suggesting if I don't want to wear a gun belt, I should not carry at all?

Are you willing to make suggestions that will work within my constraints, even if they may appear to be unreasonable to you?

Or must one conform to gun-culture fashion norms in order to defend themselves?

I guess between the lines I am getting the answer that neither the Hume nor the High Noon holster will work without a gun belt... is that right? Considering this is at least related to the question I asked.

FWIW my belt is not a fashion accessory. It's there to keep my pants up. It's covered by the tail of my shirt all of the time. Sometimes it has other non-gun equipment clipped to it out of necessity. It is not really a viable option for me to change to using a gun belt for a variety of reasons but it's not merely some whimsical fashion choice.

Kerbouchard

revelator, neither holster will work well without a quality belt. Between those options I would probably choose the Hume. But you are going to find it a chore to conceal, it is going to shift around, when you try to draw the holster is going to come up with it, or be so loose as to have virtually no retention.

You really have 2 options...you can dress around the gun, or buy a gun based on how you dress. Since you are unwilling to do the first, you may have the wrong gun or carry method picked out. Check out the Smartcarry as it does not require a belt and is very concealable with just about any gun, or look into a pocket pistol for pocket carry.

So within your constraints and choices, I would choose the Hume, but I believe your choices with the constraints you have committed to will make it difficult for you to get advice one way or the other.

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revelator

Thanks, I have a smartcarry. It will work much of the time. Was looking for another option.

JerryM

Hi revelator,
Maybe a tight paddle holster would work. The gun would have to be light, and relatively small to keep the rig from tending to torque away from the body.
However, no holster will work as well as with a good belt. But if that is non-negotiable, then you will just have to try until you find what is best for you.

A belt has little to do with fashion, but a lot to do with comfort, and how stable it will hold the holster and gun. As it turns out, there are some beautiful belts that do both.

I would suggest you not be so defensive. Members of these forums desire to give good advice. What has been said about the necessity of a good belt is good advice. It is not an attempt to get you to be "fashionable" or to "conform," but to help you in carrying a CH for defense. A holstered gun that is not stable will be very difficult to draw with any speed, and you will not be able to get a full grip. That tends to be dangerous as any fumbling will be.

Regards,
Jerry

FHBrumb

I carry my XD-45 in a Don Hume 715 all the time, and do so with a belt marketed by Dickies. Just pick a solid and stiff belt with distinct corners to hold the clip during draw.

I think 5.11, or whatever it's called has canvas belts specifically marketed to those whom carry...

Aaron4_6

I'll stir the pot. I use a High Noon Hidden Ally (tuckable version of the Mr. Softy) and a regular leather belt from a store in the mall and it works great

One caveat though... I appendix carry with this setup and it allows my gun to ride down while sitting. This keeps it from digging into my stomach. I've found that I don't need as much support from my belt when carrying this way.

I don't recommend this setup for carrying at 3:00-6:00 as it requires more support than a regular belt can provide.

Also, before someone tells me that I can't possibly defend myself using a $30 holster and a non-gun belt I've tried more expensive/custom holsters and they just don't work for me. This is not a matter of cost, but simply what works for me, YMMV.

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