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Defensive Carry Holsters & Carry Options There are some really good defensive carry holster designs, as well as some very bad ones on the market today. Whether you are in the market for a new holster or just discovered another perfect carry option, let us know about it here.

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Old July 2nd, 2008, 03:24 PM   #11
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Leather makers worry?

As a new holster builder (been at it full time a whopping 2 years), my thought is leather builders don't have anything to worry about.
I look at kydex as a tool, it is needed in some situations more than others. For instance, when I was active duty, my "field" rig was a either a Safariland kyex thigh rig or a kydex reinforced nylon holster.

When I served in law enforcement capacities, it was a Safariland triple retention, kydex rig. I used them because I wasn't worried about them getting messed up, scratched, smashed, banged, etc. They were designed to be abused in harsh situations.

However, when I left work, I put on my Wild Bill oxblood IWB or my Kramer BScab because they were built to me/for me.

Leather is unique. There are no two pieces alike. Each has it's own personality: some good, some not so good. But it can be made into a thing of beauty. I have talked to quite a few shooters who don't want an off the shelf holster; they want something unique or personal. Builders like Del Fatti, Garrity, Wellsmade, Null, Mernickle, Sparks, Rosen, and many others create a work of art, in my meager opinion. Kydex, thus far, cannot provide that. It's cold, typical but, as I said, useful in many ways. Kydex will not mold to your body like a VMAX or a ISP, though I must admit Comp Tac and others like it, have a good idea combining leather and kydex but it still isn't "all leather".

I ordered a Comp Tac, yesterday, for my Glock 23. I wanted to see what the hype is all about and I am going to modify it, to suite me.
I am going to line the back with soft suede and put amber colored shark on the "face" so that it will feel more like mine and not just another thing off of the assembly line. I am sure that will catch on soon as well. I have seen various kydex colors and features but still isn't the same as leather.

I really don't forsee kydex taking over the industry. Things come in cycles but I think leather will remain dominant because of the comfort features and that feeling of having something unique. I think everyone wants to keep up with the Jones' but they still want to remain an individual while doing it.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 05:28 PM   #12
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Show pics of your 'personalized' MTAC when your done.........that I gotta see!
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 05:29 PM   #13
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Sure thing. I will post the pic.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 07:21 PM   #14
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WARNING: Thread drift.

Below, two 'personalized' kydex holsters.



Above: American Alligator on Kydex. Notice that the hide is center cut from the tail, not bottom or side cut. This is my favorite 'dress up' holster. It has a soft feel even though it's tough like body armor.



Above: Western Diamondback on Kydex. A couple years ago I wanted some exotic holsters so the Diamondback was a 'must have' ... but I like the Gator way better probably because I used to live in FL.

Moral of the story: It is possible to get a personalized kydex; it's just something that we don't hear much about or see very often. A plus is that the core is kydex so if they get wet it can't get rot from within. The two personalized kydex holsters are from BearClaw Holsters down in MO.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 07:31 PM   #15
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I have tried several different holsters and I have to say, the MTAC is the most comfortable. Doesn't seem right, but it is. Plus, with the kydex, it makes reholstering much easier.
Very well said, which also proves my point on the many folks who feel the same way. So are custom leather holsters slowly becoming a thing of the past???
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No one needs to worry. With the number of shooters growing exponentially, there is plenty of market to go around.
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 07:43 PM   #17
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My thoughts are that this thread seems borderline silly.

How can anyone else know if you really want to buy a used VersaMax or a brand new MTAC?

And if you wanted to buy a used VersaMax then you could probably get it quicker a new MTAC.

And then I am even more confused because you are raving about your recently purchased MTAC but, then you say:
"I haven't had the chance to wear it yet."

But, I'll move along (still staying somewhat confused) and just go ahead and answer your direct question:

Question:
"Do holster makers like the GREAT Milt Sparks, Bulman, Del Fatti, K&D, Kramer and so on, need to worry?"


Answer:
No, they obviously do not need to worry at all since they are always as busy as is humanly possible making fine custom leather holsters.

The real question that you need to ponder on is:
WHY DO the great custom leather holster makers HAVE such long waiting times?

HINT: It is not because people just love to order and then wait for holsters.
Yes, I agree it does seem a little silly. But I guess that's why it's interesting.

In regards to my recent MTAC purchase, I guess I'm not the best example to my question or concern. To those who know me (not many), I'm basically a HOLSTER JUNKIE! I'll try anything! Because of the recent popularity of the MTAC, I decided to order myself one, just to see what it’s all about.

My question and concern is geared mostly towards people who are new to holsters and came to this forum seeking advice on what to buy. That's the real issue.

Makes sense?
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I'd be curious to know how many own an MTAC because they ordered it to use until their custom leather showed up sometime in the future? I know thats what I did. I really like the MTAC, but have a strong affinity for good leather!
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Old July 2nd, 2008, 08:14 PM   #19
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I don't think anyone is shaking in their boots.

Comp-Tac and every other kydex holster maker on the planet aren't going to put a dent in the market for fine leather holsters. The reason is simple. Leather is beautiful and useful. It has a natural, comforting feel, it appeals to nostalgia, it is at once elegant and practical. This is a thing that people will always want, and quite frankly Comp-Tac does not offer this in their product line.

Kydex is faster, weather resistant, and utilitarian. I believe there is a time and place for kydex, but that time and place is not "everywhere" and not "all the time". It lacks the higher, etherial qualities of leather but that's ok ... it's meant to be practical. The success of leather does not diminish the need for a product like Kydex and visa-versa. Like yourself, I use both and am not an evangelist for one over the other. Sounds like we are all on the 'same page' as far as that goes.

Customer service is another matter, and one to which all businessmen should take heed. Maybe there are few craftsmen who have been around long enough, and their business secure enough that they can have a low tolerance for BS or perhaps do little to encourage new business. This is ok because it gives an opening for new holster makers. There a lot of very, very talented craftsmen who are just cutting their teeth in the business. As stated their turn around times are fast and their eagerness to please is not yet weathered by the bad taste of idiots. These are the next Alessi's and DelFatti's. And when that day comes, the burden of success will be such that the volume of their back-orders will make somebody want to post about them being 'out of touch'. LOL.

Hey - CONGRATS to K&D ... You've not been on the block for very long and already you are taking heat with the big boys! Maybe this post means you've "made it" ? Smell the roses, my friend!

EDITED - reread your new post. That Kramer almost looks like it's made for J-Frame. Yup - I understand you like both leather and Kydex and are not dissing one or the other.
Wow! I really enjoyed this. I wish I could write like you. Very well said. Thank you!

One of the reasons this topic is very important to me, is because it reminded me of my first day at a gun range/store to purchase my first gun. After the background check and all is clear with the gun, I asked the salesmen "So what holster should I get?" (I promise you at the time, I had NO CLUE where to start!). I was truly a virgin when it comes to holsters. Never even thought on looking at Gun Forums like this. I didn't even know they existed (embarrassing). So the salesman showed me a Blackhawk Serpa holster with the retention button. Told me all the reasons why the holster was the best in the market. Well because I didn't know any better I said "heck I'll take it!” Cost me $50 plus tax.

What's my point? After a few weeks, and researching more about holsters, did I really want a Kydex holster? - NO. Do I really want a holster with a safety button or retention or what ever that’s called? - NO. Did I even want an OWB holster rather than an IWB? NO NO and NO!!! (this is how I felt at the time).

So are MTACs really the best IWB one can advise? Or is this the latest trend just like the Blackhawk Serpa's when they were top at their game? Going back to my original example of someone wanting advice on the best IWB for his G-26, I don't even recall the person asking for a tuckable holster but yet the majority of the responses were MTACs? So are we misleading this person? Just like my Blackhawk experience? Or are the MTACs truly the new age of holsters? (hopefully this is still within our topic).
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In short, no.

Kydex, or plastic if you will, attracts a different caliber of carrier than someone who is willing to wait for a true handmade leather holster. I have found that cops, always underpaid and trying to stretch a dollar, first time carriers and younger people used to "instant gratification" seem to be the one's that use plastic holsters.

I realize I'm speaking in generalities, but someone that is really concerned about concealed carry, and takes pride in owning a fine product, like a high end motorcycle, car or nice home is willing to wait for a superior product.

The Kydex Holsters are popular at the Range, and I even own a couple, but for day to day carry I find leather to be optimal because it is more comfortable against my skin. I've used plastic holsters to, "get me by" until I can receive a good holster from Milt Sparks, Matt Del Fatti and others, but I don't rely on them exclusively.

With the number of concealed carriers in the population today we have seen the wait times for handmade holsters either get longer or the makers have stopped taking orders in order to catch up to their backlog. Thus kydex fills a "niche" much like a leather or nylon holster from Bianchi or Galco, at least for me.

Once you find a good Holster you won't go to anything else. I've been carrying so long that I pretty much know what works for me. So I usually only have one or two Holsters per gun. The "pre-made" manufactured stuff is good to give you an idea of what you want in a Holster, but I can't see paying for a Kydex Holster when a handmade leather one isn't that much more. I'm referring to a good Kydex Holster and not the $12 Paddle Holsters I see on the Gun Store shelves.

The mark of a professional is someone that you can't tell they are armed. This is most likely achieved with a good quality leather holster. Yes, it's costly, to a degree, but the makers have, for the most part, been making holsters long enough that they know what works and what doesn't.

Matt Del Fatti asked my about my inseam, height, build and what gun I want to carry before I ordered. This is not something you can get from Galco or Bianchi on their off the shelf stuff. I never had Comp-Tac ask me those type of questions either. Milt Sparks asked some questions very similar the first time I ordered from them, to ensure that I would get a holster that would be optimal for me.

I have not found the Kydex Holsters to be comfortable for daily carry. Also, those Belt Clips are a dead give-away to what you are hiding, much more than a leather snap loop, at least in my expirience.

So, the long-winded answer to your question is, maybe, but I doubt it. Plastic attracts a different caliber of person than a handmade custom holster.

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Man, do we have some experts here or what? I really ENJOYED this one too! My favorite line happens to be his first "Kydex, or plastic if you will, attracts a different caliber of carrier than someone who is willing to wait for a true handmade leather holster." - NICE!
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