The New York "Badger" Reload Holster - NEW! - Page 5

OM44 · February 14th, 2009, 02:28 PM

My first thought after looking at the picture was that someone was
playing a joke on us. Then after reading several responses, I have
come to the conclusion that it might be for real.

I am not in law enforcement. I am a holder of a CCW license in the
state of New Mexico where I live. The New Mexico laws strictly
forbid the carrying of a second concealed weapon. In other words,
we are not allowed to carry a back-up-gun.

Therefore that ridiculous combination holster would be completely
useless to anyone from New Mexico.

It would make sense to me that if you are going to carry a back-up-
gun, you should carry something that is of the same caliber and uses
the same magazines as your primary weapon. That way you would
not have to keep a supply of two different types of ammunition,
which would make life much simpler. Right?

John OK · February 14th, 2009, 07:52 PM

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Therefore that ridiculous combination holster would be completely

useless to anyone from New Mexico.

OM44, perhaps i'm reading more into the tenor of your post than intended, but to call this method of carry ridiculous is offensive and unnecessary. Because of your regional constraints, I acknowledge that this particular method of carry is not practical for you, but the practice of carrying a revolver as a backup carry is historically pertinent and commonly accepted by many LEO as well as CCWers. A backup gun by nature is an oh $h!t kind of item, so the well wrung out and 100% completely reliable revolver is the perfect choice for many in a backup weapon (myself included). While I also acknowledge that this sort of holster is not going to be a common accessory for many people, within the very specific context that this post was started under, it certainly is valid and not as you say "ridiculous".

If your post was not intended as a negative dismissal of the previous posts then I apologize for I taking it as so, but I don't understand why this type of negative hit and run tactic has become so prevalent on these forums. I guess I figure the carrying public encompasses less than 5% of the public, and maybe we should try to show a little more solidarity.

Soapbox off

swiftyjuan · February 14th, 2009, 09:39 PM

John OK, thanks for your defense and kind words. Mad Badger has been on numerous drug entries and SWAT actions, and if he carries one, that is all the justification I need. I am sorry OM44 cannot carry a second firearm; if the firing pin or a spring should break, or one round should hard jam, spare mags don't do you a lot of good. That little .38 with 5 +p rounds is very comforting...

John OK · February 14th, 2009, 11:35 PM

Swifty,

No prob. I don't want to speak for OM44's intentions behind his comments but the tenor of it seemed a little negative to me. I say everything is kosher in context. OM's comments about carrying a backup w/ same ammo and mags makes sense to some. I guess the only thing that leads me to carry a revolver as a secondary is the fact that in 12 years of carrying, I've NEVER once had a malfunction with my 642. NEVER. Over 10k plus rounds and counting five rounds at a time w/ zero malfunctions. I would trust this gun to go bang more than my mother telling me she loves me. I can't say the same for any other of my semi-auto pistols of the same round count. Most of the time the issue has been magazines not the pistol. As the saying goes, "Carry one, carry none. Carry two, carry one." Expect a magazine to fail and you'll never be disappointed possibly to death.

To each his own right. I'm certainly not saying that OM is wrong and I'm right. I'm just saying that this is what works for me.

Rev9mm · February 14th, 2009, 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by major99

I did think that the revolver could be a BUG and should have gone with that. They do say howver that there is no such thing as a stupid question. Right??

Now personally, I tell people that there's no such thing as a stupid question, only stupid people asking them.

j/k!

I like the holster, though. Especially because it is true that the fastest "reload" is a second gun!

OM44 · February 17th, 2009, 04:20 PM

If you are going to carry a firearm, you better know how to use it. You better practice with it a lot.

OK, some of you think carrying two firearms is advisable. I
understand that. I even understand when someone says he or she
has been carrying a certain firearm for 12 years with no malfunction
or problem of any kind, but still feels it is necessary to carry a second firearm.

What I don't agree with is carrying a semi-auto as a primary weapon
and a revolver as a back-up, or the other way around. I believe that
if you feel you need a second weapon, it should be of the same type
(semi or revolver) as your primary as well as of the same caliber.

Obviously, a few of the readers here disagree with me, so I'll just
say that if you are going to carry two different types of firearms, you
should practice as much with the second as you do with the first.

How many do that?

Thanis · February 17th, 2009, 05:07 PM

The great thing about holsters, is there is always room for a niche. I like this holster.

Quote:

Originally Posted by OM44

...What I don't agree with is carrying a semi-auto as a primary weapon
and a revolver as a back-up, or the other way around. I believe that if you feel you need a second weapon, it should be of the same type (semi or revolver) as your primary as well as of the same caliber....

I guess the only considerition for power tools is the battery packs. No point bringing your cordless saw if it does not have the same battery pack as your drill. A carpenter should only carry one tool. Maybe only one type of screw driver or hammer, that is all they should need. Have you ever carried a rifle and a pistol at the same time. Each type of firearm requires a different skill and caliber.

I was taking a casual walking this weekend in a part of town that I would not call a war zone, but things in this area are getting a little rough. I carried my G31 IWB. However, I needed a jacket, and with a winter coat on, it is not easy to draw my IWB G31. So I also carried my 5 shot .38 snubby S&W revolver in a coat pocket. Caliber is just one consideration, not the only, for a BUG.

A snubby revolver can be pointed at you while still in a coat pocket, and never have been seen. Heck of a lot easier to shoot a revolver from a coat pocket then a semi. I found it a lot easier to draw and carry my revolver when compared to semi-autos. However, lot to be said about having all those rounds that a semi-auto will provide compared to my revolver. You know what, I'll carry both and get the best of both worlds.

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Originally Posted by OM44

...Obviously, a few of the readers here disagree with me, so I'll just say that if you are going to carry two different types of firearms, you should practice as much with the second as you do with the first. How many do that?

Every time I go to the range I shoot around 100 to 120 rounds of .22 LR out of my advantage arms conversion. 10 to 25 rounds of .38 Spl. And around 20 rounds of .357 Sig. I do get a lot more practice with the semi-auto. That does not indicate I'm not prepared with the revolver.

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Originally Posted by OM44

...It would make sense to me that if you are going to carry a back-up-gun, you should carry something that is of the same caliber and uses the same magazines as your primary weapon. That way you would not have to keep a supply of two different types of ammunition, which would make life much simpler. Right?

First off, what if your primary carry is a 9mm and your revolver is also a 9mm. You have to consider all the options.

In addition, you are talking about best case. For example, I'm have been wanting a G33 (sub-compact) to back-up my G31. It sounds like a perfect combination, as the G33 is the same caliber and the mag from the G31 will fit the G33. However, sometimes your primary carry's perfect back up is almost as hard to CC as the primary.

It has always been a hopeful goal to carry firearms of the same caliber (from LE, to military, to cowboy, etc). In the end, it is just one factor of many to consider. Frankly, if you end up in a situation where the difference between your back-up caliber and main-caliber make the difference, you have had one rare SD situation.

February 14th, 2009, 02:28 PM	#41
OM44 Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Santa Teresa, NM, USA Posts: 54	Not a Joke? My first thought after looking at the picture was that someone was playing a joke on us. Then after reading several responses, I have come to the conclusion that it might be for real. I am not in law enforcement. I am a holder of a CCW license in the state of New Mexico where I live. The New Mexico laws strictly forbid the carrying of a second concealed weapon. In other words, we are not allowed to carry a back-up-gun. Therefore that ridiculous combination holster would be completely useless to anyone from New Mexico. It would make sense to me that if you are going to carry a back-up- gun, you should carry something that is of the same caliber and uses the same magazines as your primary weapon. That way you would not have to keep a supply of two different types of ammunition, which would make life much simpler. Right? __________________ The Second Amendment is NOT about hunting!

February 14th, 2009, 07:52 PM	#42
John OK Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: US Posts: 67	PHP Code: `Therefore that ridiculous combination holster would be completely useless to anyone from New Mexico.` OM44, perhaps i'm reading more into the tenor of your post than intended, but to call this method of carry ridiculous is offensive and unnecessary. Because of your regional constraints, I acknowledge that this particular method of carry is not practical for you, but the practice of carrying a revolver as a backup carry is historically pertinent and commonly accepted by many LEO as well as CCWers. A backup gun by nature is an oh $h!t kind of item, so the well wrung out and 100% completely reliable revolver is the perfect choice for many in a backup weapon (myself included). While I also acknowledge that this sort of holster is not going to be a common accessory for many people, within the very specific context that this post was started under, it certainly is valid and not as you say "ridiculous". If your post was not intended as a negative dismissal of the previous posts then I apologize for I taking it as so, but I don't understand why this type of negative hit and run tactic has become so prevalent on these forums. I guess I figure the carrying public encompasses less than 5% of the public, and maybe we should try to show a little more solidarity. Soapbox off

February 14th, 2009, 09:39 PM	#43
swiftyjuan VIP Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Madera, CA Posts: 2,221	John OK, thanks for your defense and kind words. Mad Badger has been on numerous drug entries and SWAT actions, and if he carries one, that is all the justification I need. I am sorry OM44 cannot carry a second firearm; if the firing pin or a spring should break, or one round should hard jam, spare mags don't do you a lot of good. That little .38 with 5 +p rounds is very comforting... __________________ John Assault is a behavior, not a device. "Don't never take no shortcuts." Patty Reed, Donner Party Lifetime NRA member

February 17th, 2009, 04:20 PM	#46
OM44 Member Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Santa Teresa, NM, USA Posts: 54	If you are going to carry a firearm, you better know how to use it. You better practice with it a lot. OK, some of you think carrying two firearms is advisable. I understand that. I even understand when someone says he or she has been carrying a certain firearm for 12 years with no malfunction or problem of any kind, but still feels it is necessary to carry a second firearm. What I don't agree with is carrying a semi-auto as a primary weapon and a revolver as a back-up, or the other way around. I believe that if you feel you need a second weapon, it should be of the same type (semi or revolver) as your primary as well as of the same caliber. Obviously, a few of the readers here disagree with me, so I'll just say that if you are going to carry two different types of firearms, you should practice as much with the second as you do with the first. How many do that? __________________ The Second Amendment is NOT about hunting!

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February 14th, 2009, 11:35 PM	#44
John OK Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: US Posts: 67	Swifty, No prob. I don't want to speak for OM44's intentions behind his comments but the tenor of it seemed a little negative to me. I say everything is kosher in context. OM's comments about carrying a backup w/ same ammo and mags makes sense to some. I guess the only thing that leads me to carry a revolver as a secondary is the fact that in 12 years of carrying, I've NEVER once had a malfunction with my 642. NEVER. Over 10k plus rounds and counting five rounds at a time w/ zero malfunctions. I would trust this gun to go bang more than my mother telling me she loves me. I can't say the same for any other of my semi-auto pistols of the same round count. Most of the time the issue has been magazines not the pistol. As the saying goes, "Carry one, carry none. Carry two, carry one." Expect a magazine to fail and you'll never be disappointed possibly to death. To each his own right. I'm certainly not saying that OM is wrong and I'm right. I'm just saying that this is what works for me.