Kramer gunbelt/belt scabbard holster?

1911luver · April 30th, 2009, 01:45 PM

Does anyone here have any experiance wieth Kramer gunbelts? I'm going to be ordering thier belt scabbard for my Ruger SP101 and I'm thinking it may be best to get on thier gun belts as well but have no experiance with them.

I have one of Kramers pocket holsters and its top notch,how is their belt scabbard holster? Is it a high ride pancake design? Thanks for any help guys.

ltc-usa · April 30th, 2009, 02:24 PM

I have two horsehide belt scabbards with the FBI cant and love them. I have one Kramer belt and it is worth the money. Horsehide- and I do not expect it to wear out. A little too thick for dress but great on my jeans. Quality stuff.

dgg9 · April 30th, 2009, 02:42 PM

Kramer horsehide canted scabbards are made like iron, almost like a cross between kydex and leather, but with the best qualities of both.

I found them well suited for carrying a heavy all-steel gun. I carried a CZ75BD in one for years. Two thumbs up.

BikerRN · April 30th, 2009, 02:54 PM

While I've never used Kramer's Belts, I have used his holsters over the years and have always been happy with their product.

If you do a search you may find some post I've made in regards to Kramer. They are one of the few on my "short list". The "short list" is the short list of makers I recommend, having used their products and being happy with the results. My "short list" is pretty short and not inclusive of all the makers out there, just maker's I've used.

Greg Kramer
Matt Del Fatti
Milt Sparks
Bruce Gibson
Mitch Rosen
Robert Mika
Ted Blocker

I don't think I've left anybody out. Those are makers that I've personally used, and have no problems recommending.

Biker

JerryM · April 30th, 2009, 03:01 PM

I have one of his cowhide belt scabbards. I also have his IWB.
My personal opinion is that they are not of the quality of some other makers. They are OK.
The belt scabbard is cut so that the gun clears the holster about 1" above the belt.

I do understand that Kramer's paddle holster is the best, but the ones I have are not equal to Sparks, Brommeland, Del Fatti, or Nossar in my opinion.

Regards,
Jerry

TwinCarry · April 30th, 2009, 04:14 PM

Jerry made a good point (as usual).

Hope my analogy is not too far off but I compare Kramer's to STRONG trucks or suv's while Del Fatti & Nossar are Rolls Royces and Milt Sparks & Alessi's are Mercedes/BMWs. Makes sense?
Seriously, Kramer leather holsters are built "LIKE A ROCK" (get it?), literally. They have the TOUGHEST leather I've seen yet. Very strong, dependable and it just simply does it's job, nothing more nothing less. But as fat as cosmetics goes, they are not as nice looking as the Del Fattis and Nossars, etc. Quality (e.g. stitching) are not perfect compared the the Rolls Royce of holsters.

In most list of "Top Holsters", Kramer will almost always be present. IMO, I think it's because some of their models are considered - No. 1. For example pretty or not, Kramer Pocket holsters are usually considered the best in it's class. Another example is their paddle holsters. I've literally tried numerous paddle holsters and I now consider the MSP paddle to be one of the best if not THE best. It's amazing how the MSP holster can pull a large pistol (e.g..1911 5") incredibly tight against the body. And plus, withdrawing and reholstering are both performed with ease.

Gotta show pictures!

Kramer's Ankle holsters may not be no. 1, but it's up there:

Kramer's GUNBELT? No clue. Never owned one. But I'm sure it's the same level of satisfaction.

1911luver · April 30th, 2009, 07:21 PM

twincarry I was wondering if you feel that the Kramer MSP paddle rig conceals as well as pancake style holster? I ask as I may get this for my Ruger Sp101 instead of their belt scabbard rig. Do you feel these paddle holsters will be able to conceal well under a Tshirt or polo type shirt?

Is there any way you can post a pic of you wearing this rig so I can get a general idea of how it ride on the belt?

TwinCarry · April 30th, 2009, 07:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1911luver

twincarry I was wondering if you feel that the Kramer MSP paddle rig conceals as well as pancake style holster? I ask as I may get this for my Ruger Sp101 instead of their belt scabbard rig. Do you feel these paddle holsters will be able to conceal well under a Tshirt or polo type shirt?

Is there any way you can post a pic of you wearing this rig so I can get a general idea of how it ride on the belt?

Ooops, I just now saw this post. I already answered your question via PM. Let me know what you think.

TwinCarry · April 30th, 2009, 07:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1911luver

twincarry I was wondering if you feel that the Kramer MSP paddle rig conceals as well as pancake style holster? I ask as I may get this for my Ruger Sp101 instead of their belt scabbard rig. Do you feel these paddle holsters will be able to conceal well under a Tshirt or polo type shirt?

Is there any way you can post a pic of you wearing this rig so I can get a general idea of how it ride on the belt?

I'll repeat some of my answers here so that anyone else may want to jump in.

Bottomline, if you DO NOT require an easy "on and off"type holster then Kramer's Scabbard is the better choice for maximum concealment vs paddle, especially when wearing a Tshirt.

dwyermw · April 30th, 2009, 10:02 PM

Kramer is superb. My 1 1/4" belt with my Kramer paddle is a daily delight. I believe their cross draw is the best. For me (6', 200), it is just the right cant.

April 30th, 2009, 01:45 PM	#1
1911luver Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 767	Kramer gunbelt/belt scabbard holster? Does anyone here have any experiance wieth Kramer gunbelts? I'm going to be ordering thier belt scabbard for my Ruger SP101 and I'm thinking it may be best to get on thier gun belts as well but have no experiance with them. I have one of Kramers pocket holsters and its top notch,how is their belt scabbard holster? Is it a high ride pancake design? Thanks for any help guys.

April 30th, 2009, 02:54 PM	#4
BikerRN VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: State of Discombobulation Posts: 3,705	While I've never used Kramer's Belts, I have used his holsters over the years and have always been happy with their product. If you do a search you may find some post I've made in regards to Kramer. They are one of the few on my "short list". The "short list" is the short list of makers I recommend, having used their products and being happy with the results. My "short list" is pretty short and not inclusive of all the makers out there, just maker's I've used. Greg Kramer Matt Del Fatti Milt Sparks Bruce Gibson Mitch Rosen Robert Mika Ted Blocker I don't think I've left anybody out. Those are makers that I've personally used, and have no problems recommending. Biker __________________ If I knew I was going to get in to a gunfight I most ceratinly wouln't bring a handgun or two, and I don't know any smart person that does. Last edited by BikerRN; April 30th, 2009 at 04:19 PM.. Reason: Add One More Holster maker

April 30th, 2009, 04:14 PM	#6
TwinCarry Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 341	Jerry made a good point (as usual). Hope my analogy is not too far off but I compare Kramer's to STRONG trucks or suv's while Del Fatti & Nossar are Rolls Royces and Milt Sparks & Alessi's are Mercedes/BMWs. Makes sense? Seriously, Kramer leather holsters are built "LIKE A ROCK" (get it?), literally. They have the TOUGHEST leather I've seen yet. Very strong, dependable and it just simply does it's job, nothing more nothing less. But as fat as cosmetics goes, they are not as nice looking as the Del Fattis and Nossars, etc. Quality (e.g. stitching) are not perfect compared the the Rolls Royce of holsters. In most list of "Top Holsters", Kramer will almost always be present. IMO, I think it's because some of their models are considered - No. 1. For example pretty or not, Kramer Pocket holsters are usually considered the best in it's class. Another example is their paddle holsters. I've literally tried numerous paddle holsters and I now consider the MSP paddle to be one of the best if not THE best. It's amazing how the MSP holster can pull a large pistol (e.g..1911 5") incredibly tight against the body. And plus, withdrawing and reholstering are both performed with ease. Gotta show pictures! Kramer's Ankle holsters may not be no. 1, but it's up there: Kramer's GUNBELT? No clue. Never owned one. But I'm sure it's the same level of satisfaction. __________________ SA EMP ~ Sig P232s ~ Walther PP ~ Makarov ~ S&W 442 ~ Ruger LCP HK USP Compact ~ HK P2000sk ~ RIA Tactical ~ FN Hi-Power ~ Sig GSR C3

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April 30th, 2009, 02:24 PM	#2
ltc-usa Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: ut Posts: 426	I have two horsehide belt scabbards with the FBI cant and love them. I have one Kramer belt and it is worth the money. Horsehide- and I do not expect it to wear out. A little too thick for dress but great on my jeans. Quality stuff.

April 30th, 2009, 02:42 PM	#3
dgg9 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: philadelphia Posts: 476	Kramer horsehide canted scabbards are made like iron, almost like a cross between kydex and leather, but with the best qualities of both. I found them well suited for carrying a heavy all-steel gun. I carried a CZ75BD in one for years. Two thumbs up.

April 30th, 2009, 03:01 PM	#5
JerryM Distinguished Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 1,666	I have one of his cowhide belt scabbards. I also have his IWB. My personal opinion is that they are not of the quality of some other makers. They are OK. The belt scabbard is cut so that the gun clears the holster about 1" above the belt. I do understand that Kramer's paddle holster is the best, but the ones I have are not equal to Sparks, Brommeland, Del Fatti, or Nossar in my opinion. Regards, Jerry

April 30th, 2009, 07:21 PM	#7
1911luver Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 767	twincarry I was wondering if you feel that the Kramer MSP paddle rig conceals as well as pancake style holster? I ask as I may get this for my Ruger Sp101 instead of their belt scabbard rig. Do you feel these paddle holsters will be able to conceal well under a Tshirt or polo type shirt? Is there any way you can post a pic of you wearing this rig so I can get a general idea of how it ride on the belt?

April 30th, 2009, 10:02 PM	#10
dwyermw Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 99	Kramer is superb. My 1 1/4" belt with my Kramer paddle is a daily delight. I believe their cross draw is the best. For me (6', 200), it is just the right cant.