Serpa

Pro2A · May 2nd, 2009, 03:48 PM

I just got a new Auto Ordinance 1911.

Are all the 1911 Blackhawk Serpa holsters universal for all 1911 firearms regardless of who makes them?

I would imagine so since 1911's are pretty universal, just wanted to make sure tho.

matiki · May 2nd, 2009, 03:51 PM

Although I haven't tried it with different models, it should be universal by size (commander or full size). If you've got a funny trigger guard width I would think that would cause problems. That's pretty much the only place the Serpa holds your gun.

Blackeagle · May 2nd, 2009, 03:53 PM

The main incompatibility with 1911s seems to be with railed guns. If you don't have a rail, standard 1911 holsters will probably work.

Rexster · May 2nd, 2009, 05:14 PM

A number of instructors will not allow Serpas in their classes. The release button gets trigger fingers in a place that induces some folks to fail to follow one of the fundamental four rules of firearms safety.

matiki · May 2nd, 2009, 05:33 PM

What instructors were those again?

Here's a thread at another site that went over the subject of blaming ND's on the Serpa design ad nauseum: http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-ope...a-allowed.html

I've seen many ND's, never with the Serpa. Someone has one with the Serpa - it's the Serpa's fault.

Rexster · May 2nd, 2009, 06:19 PM

Gabe Suarez, and his instructors, that I recall at the moment. I think there were others before them.

I think another major instructor also disallows them, but his site is not searchable, so it may be difficult to confirm.

I was first warned about the Serpa by a former LE colleague, who is now a prosecutor.

Y'all keep in mind I am simply passing along information. I have not considered the Serpa for myself, simply because it differs from what the mandatory rig I use on duty. I want my rigs to either use the same retention system as my duty rig, or else no active retention system at all.

Rexster · May 2nd, 2009, 06:24 PM

I am also not blaming anything on the Serpa; it is the violation of one of the basic rules of gun handling, if one's finger is on the trigger when it should not be. I CAN see how some fools would keep their booger hooks under tension, after releasing a pistol carried in a Serpa, causing said booger hook to snap onto the trigger. Such folks should not handle guns, nor drive motor vehicles or operate other dangerous machinery.

matiki · May 2nd, 2009, 06:33 PM

I'm not trying to shoot the messenger, so to speak. I just hear it a lot. And I mean, a lot. The design puts your trigger finger along the frame of the weapon, so in a way it is actually an aid to indexing your finger along the frame. It is my opinion that an ND with a Serpa is caused by the same problem as an ND with any other holster. Others disagree with me, and I'm fine with that. I hate to see a good product slammed over one incident.

Blackeagle · May 2nd, 2009, 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rexster

Gabe Suarez, and his instructors, that I recall at the moment. I think there were others before them.

Tactical Response (James Yeager) doesn't allow them either.

rocky · May 2nd, 2009, 10:47 PM

Keep it on topic thanks, the thread was about the fit of 1911 pistols in the Serpa holster.

May 2nd, 2009, 03:48 PM	#1
Pro2A Distinguished Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 1,512	Serpa I just got a new Auto Ordinance 1911. Are all the 1911 Blackhawk Serpa holsters universal for all 1911 firearms regardless of who makes them? I would imagine so since 1911's are pretty universal, just wanted to make sure tho.

May 2nd, 2009, 03:51 PM	#2
matiki VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: N.W. Posts: 2,888	Although I haven't tried it with different models, it should be universal by size (commander or full size). If you've got a funny trigger guard width I would think that would cause problems. That's pretty much the only place the Serpa holds your gun. __________________ "Wise people learn when they can; fools learn when they must." - The Duke of Wellington

May 2nd, 2009, 05:33 PM	#5
matiki VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: N.W. Posts: 2,888	What instructors were those again? Here's a thread at another site that went over the subject of blaming ND's on the Serpa design ad nauseum: http://forum.pafoa.org/concealed-ope...a-allowed.html I've seen many ND's, never with the Serpa. Someone has one with the Serpa - it's the Serpa's fault. __________________ "Wise people learn when they can; fools learn when they must." - The Duke of Wellington

May 2nd, 2009, 06:33 PM	#8
matiki VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: N.W. Posts: 2,888	I'm not trying to shoot the messenger, so to speak. I just hear it a lot. And I mean, a lot. The design puts your trigger finger along the frame of the weapon, so in a way it is actually an aid to indexing your finger along the frame. It is my opinion that an ND with a Serpa is caused by the same problem as an ND with any other holster. Others disagree with me, and I'm fine with that. I hate to see a good product slammed over one incident. __________________ "Wise people learn when they can; fools learn when they must." - The Duke of Wellington

May 2nd, 2009, 10:47 PM	#10
rocky Senior Moderator Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: MI Posts: 13,084	Keep it on topic thanks, the thread was about the fit of 1911 pistols in the Serpa holster. __________________ "In matters of style, swim with the current; in matters of principle, stand like a rock." Thomas Jefferson Nemo Me Impune Lacesset Link to my kydex builds:http://rocknloadkydex.blogspot.com/

May 2nd, 2009, 03:53 PM	#3
Blackeagle Distinguished Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Columbia, SC Posts: 1,997	The main incompatibility with 1911s seems to be with railed guns. If you don't have a rail, standard 1911 holsters will probably work.

May 2nd, 2009, 05:14 PM	#4
Rexster Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SE Texas Posts: 895	A number of instructors will not allow Serpas in their classes. The release button gets trigger fingers in a place that induces some folks to fail to follow one of the fundamental four rules of firearms safety.

May 2nd, 2009, 06:19 PM	#6
Rexster Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SE Texas Posts: 895	Gabe Suarez, and his instructors, that I recall at the moment. I think there were others before them. I think another major instructor also disallows them, but his site is not searchable, so it may be difficult to confirm. I was first warned about the Serpa by a former LE colleague, who is now a prosecutor. Y'all keep in mind I am simply passing along information. I have not considered the Serpa for myself, simply because it differs from what the mandatory rig I use on duty. I want my rigs to either use the same retention system as my duty rig, or else no active retention system at all.

May 2nd, 2009, 06:24 PM	#7
Rexster Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: SE Texas Posts: 895	I am also not blaming anything on the Serpa; it is the violation of one of the basic rules of gun handling, if one's finger is on the trigger when it should not be. I CAN see how some fools would keep their booger hooks under tension, after releasing a pistol carried in a Serpa, causing said booger hook to snap onto the trigger. Such folks should not handle guns, nor drive motor vehicles or operate other dangerous machinery.

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