What distance do you practice at the range? - Page 5

clemmac · January 27th, 2007, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Ben Hennessy

For self protection, combat range (21 feet ) for me. I feel at a longer distance a jury might say that you had a way to escape.

Here's a "what if" for you Ben. If a particular predator had taken a shot at you or at someone you love at 20-25 yards, wouldn't you feel better able to respond if you had done some shooting during practice at a distance beyond that magic 21 feet ?

Ben Hennessy · January 27th, 2007, 06:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by clemmac

Here's a "what if" for you Ben. If a particular predator had taken a shot at you or at someone you love at 20-25 yards, wouldn't you feel better able to respond if you had done some shooting during practice at a distance beyond that magic 21 feet ?

I know just what you are saying but I think if I see that much distance between us I'm going to take a chance and get out of there. I know there might be no exit for me and I'll have to take a stance. Just because I practice self defense at 21 feet do not think that I can't hit a body at 25 yards.

clemmac · January 27th, 2007, 10:01 PM

Ben,

I was in no way trying to disparage your ability with a handgun at 25 yards and if you took my comments that way, I apologize.

I agree with DOGOFWAR01 who posted earlier, that range practice must be varied and not consist of simply standing still and shooting at a fixed distance. A great deal of one's defensive shooting practice should be at distances of fewer than 21 feet. The “21 foot rule” doesn’t mean that these defensive encounters happen most of the time at 21 feet, but that most of the encounters happen at 21 feet or LESS.

In my “what if” situation, I was actually thinking about myself or a loved one who might already have taken a hit from the predators gun and wondering if most shooters have considered that they may NEED to respond at longer ranges. I might need to respond with deadly force at 30 yards, just to save my life. Hmmmm, I wonder if I’ll be able to make that 25-30 yard shot with only my support hand if I’m hit with a bullet

Clem

Ben Hennessy · January 28th, 2007, 12:03 AM

I agree clemmac. But remember there is no set rules when protecting yourself or family. And let me tell you I never took offence with your question to me. I target shot at 25 yards or more but I practice self defense at 21 feet. In my state if you have an escape route, you must take it. In other states you can hold your ground. Some day hopefully Missouri will be like that. I just can't think that some one would be targeting me at that kind of distance. Not saying it will not happen but hardly unlikely. And if there is cover then at that distance then there is a good chance I can escape instead of getting in a shoot out. If I have to pull my weapon on some one it is most likely some one at arms length. And that would be the biggest mistake he/she could of make.

me · January 28th, 2007, 07:29 AM

30 feet for me, it is the shortest set up on the range I frequent. I have never been there alone.

MJZZZ · February 9th, 2007, 10:13 PM

I don't waste my ammo at 3 yards, so I practice at 5, 7, +10 yards. Most of my practice is from 5 yards at two targets four feet apart, 2 shots at target 1, 3 shots at target 2, 2 more shots at target 1. Then drop mag and reload and repeat drill until empty. I try to do some drills moving left, then right everytime I shoot outside. It gets boring just standing there shooting holes in paper. Mike Z

eaglesbea · February 10th, 2007, 01:03 AM

I had to qualify from 25 yards, 15 yards and 7 yards for my handgun certs... and the closer you were the faster you had to get the rounds on the target. The toughest was shoot 6, reload, shoot 6 in 35 seconds, and all had to get on the B27 target scoring rings. I had a 5 shot revolver with a 3" barrell for one qual, so I had to reload twice.

If we practice, it amazing how good we can get... if we make it important.

frankmako · February 18th, 2007, 12:39 AM

contact to 10 feet should do it.

January 28th, 2007, 07:29 AM	#45
me Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Shanandoah Valley VA Posts: 1,004	30 feet for me, it is the shortest set up on the range I frequent. I have never been there alone. __________________ Mark "The world is filled with violence. Because criminals carry guns, we decent law-abiding citizens should also have guns. Otherwise they will win and the decent people will lose." -James Earl Jones

February 9th, 2007, 10:13 PM	#46
MJZZZ Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Lenexa, Ks Posts: 97	I don't waste my ammo at 3 yards, so I practice at 5, 7, +10 yards. Most of my practice is from 5 yards at two targets four feet apart, 2 shots at target 1, 3 shots at target 2, 2 more shots at target 1. Then drop mag and reload and repeat drill until empty. I try to do some drills moving left, then right everytime I shoot outside. It gets boring just standing there shooting holes in paper. Mike Z __________________ "fundamental principle of American law that a government and its agents are under no general duty to provide public services, such as police protection, to any individual citizen.'' Warren vs District of Columbia

February 10th, 2007, 01:03 AM	#47
eaglesbea New Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Pacific Northwest Posts: 10	I had to qualify from 25 yards, 15 yards and 7 yards for my handgun certs... and the closer you were the faster you had to get the rounds on the target. The toughest was shoot 6, reload, shoot 6 in 35 seconds, and all had to get on the B27 target scoring rings. I had a 5 shot revolver with a 3" barrell for one qual, so I had to reload twice. If we practice, it amazing how good we can get... if we make it important. __________________ Bail bond recovery agent... no, not like that "dog" fella.

February 18th, 2007, 12:39 AM	#48
frankmako VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: Parts Unknown Posts: 2,488	contact to 10 feet should do it. __________________ An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject. Red State State of Mind

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January 27th, 2007, 10:01 PM	#43
clemmac Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Free State Wyoming Posts: 39	Ben, I was in no way trying to disparage your ability with a handgun at 25 yards and if you took my comments that way, I apologize. I agree with DOGOFWAR01 who posted earlier, that range practice must be varied and not consist of simply standing still and shooting at a fixed distance. A great deal of one's defensive shooting practice should be at distances of fewer than 21 feet. The “21 foot rule” doesn’t mean that these defensive encounters happen most of the time at 21 feet, but that most of the encounters happen at 21 feet or LESS. In my “what if” situation, I was actually thinking about myself or a loved one who might already have taken a hit from the predators gun and wondering if most shooters have considered that they may NEED to respond at longer ranges. I might need to respond with deadly force at 30 yards, just to save my life. Hmmmm, I wonder if I’ll be able to make that 25-30 yard shot with only my support hand if I’m hit with a bullet Clem

January 28th, 2007, 12:03 AM	#44
Ben Hennessy VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. James, Missouri Posts: 2,375	I agree clemmac. But remember there is no set rules when protecting yourself or family. And let me tell you I never took offence with your question to me. I target shot at 25 yards or more but I practice self defense at 21 feet. In my state if you have an escape route, you must take it. In other states you can hold your ground. Some day hopefully Missouri will be like that. I just can't think that some one would be targeting me at that kind of distance. Not saying it will not happen but hardly unlikely. And if there is cover then at that distance then there is a good chance I can escape instead of getting in a shoot out. If I have to pull my weapon on some one it is most likely some one at arms length. And that would be the biggest mistake he/she could of make.