Ideal distance to train - Page 3

Ben Hennessy · February 7th, 2007, 05:18 AM

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Originally Posted by BushidoMarine

Next time I hit the range, most of my shots will be from muzzle touching the target to around 10 feet.

My range would drop my membership and kick me out on my butt for bringing my paper target in that close and firing at it.

MNBurl · February 7th, 2007, 08:31 AM

7 yards and less for us carry permit holders. Every thing else is target shooting IMHO.

paramedic70002 · February 7th, 2007, 08:47 AM

0-infinity. Anything from contact to long range. Who's to say you will never be pinned down in a parking lot by the stereotypical deranged gunman with an AK?

Screw the range, they are out of touch. Yeah I know you gotta shoot somewhere. I would prefer something like a mannequin at contact distance. Anybody make a mannequin target? That way you would get a better feel for 3D gun-fu. Off hand striking grabbing and blocking, hand-to-hand, disarms, push backs, getting off the mark, not shooting yourself, multiple assailants. Strongly suggest playing with a friend using airsoft pistols.
Check out some of the cutting edge stuff Gabriel Suarez is doing with force on force training and experimentation. I feel he may be redefining gunfights exponentially more than Col. Cooper did back in the day. Some people think he's nuttier than the Planter's factory, I just think it would be nice when everyone can agree on which tactics and techniques are the best.

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pgrass101 · February 7th, 2007, 10:05 AM

I train from contact to 25 yards. Concentrating mainly in the 5 to 7 yard ranage. I spend more time in retenttion and one hand shooting than the 15 to 25 yard practice

pax · February 7th, 2007, 02:50 PM

Got a baby book around here somewhere that tells me the average baby walks at 12 months of age. I gave birth to five children and ... oddly ... not a single one of them walked at 12 months of age. One walked at 8 1/2 months, one at 10 months, one at 11 months, one at 13 months, and one did not walk until 17 months old.

What's all that got to do with shooting? Real simple. So what!!? if the "average" gun fight happens at X number of yards? It doesn't matter what the "average" is ... it only matters what your particular fight will be. And you don't really have any way to know what your fight will be.

I practice at distances ranging from arm's length out to 50 yards, occasionally 100 yards. The majority of my shooting happens at 5 to 15 yards, usually 7 to 10. But I stay well-practiced at the other distances too.

pax

TechGuy · February 7th, 2007, 05:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mech1369dlw

Most of my shooting is done at 10 yards or less, but, I know where the bullets are going to hit at 20 yards if needed.

Most of the time - 7 yards. But I toss it out to 50'-75' sometimes to see how well I can hit a little farther out. Easy to get over confident at 3 yards; "Man I'm good, look at that grouping!" so I push it out there and I get back to reality in a hurry. "Jeez, something must be wrong with my gun, the grouping went to crap."

Tangle · February 7th, 2007, 06:08 PM

I shoot mostly from 3 to 10 yds. But I also do some at 23 yards (longest distance indoors), but our outdoor range has some IDPA size and shaped dingers at 75 yards. I dearly love to shoot those. I don't often, but I like to.

torrejon224 · February 7th, 2007, 06:59 PM

I try to concentrate on distances from 2 to 15 yards and at times out to 50 but at that distance it's mainly for accuracy.

FIREARMZ · February 7th, 2007, 07:59 PM

I know we don't keep statistics on CCW Shootings but we do keep tham on Police Officers. Some stats show that as high as 68% of LE shooting happen at 5 feet or less. I know we are not LE but think about the proximity someone has to be to you to rob, rape, steal, kidnap or car jack you? CLOSE and that puts us in the 0 to 5 feet range. That is where the majority of my personal training goes. I do train at greater distances out to 50 yards but 75% is at what we call extreme close quarters or contact distances. It is much harder to access a handgun or other weapon while in a tangle with a bad guy that it is at 10 yards and thats why we practise those distances. The ECQC where a guy sticks a gun in your gut and and says give up the freaking wallet is more likely and being gun focused can hurt us. We may be tangled up in a physical confrontation and how do you access, employ and use a pistol, knife, SAP or other tool effectively, without it being fowled or taken away?

I know we hear people talking about long guns being used aginst us but it is my personal and professional opinion that that will be the .2% of the case. As civilians we tipically do not go looking for trouble and should it arise it is usually close. People cite the LA Bank Robberies and yes they used long guns but who were they shooting at? The Po Po. I suggest that if you are being engaged by someone with a rifle that you E&E as best possible. Not saying that longer distance training should be avoided or shunned.

Squawker · February 7th, 2007, 10:26 PM

I don't know about ideal, but I tend to shoot at 7, 10, and 15 yards.

February 7th, 2007, 08:31 AM	#22
MNBurl VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Minnesota Posts: 2,338	7 yards and less for us carry permit holders. Every thing else is target shooting IMHO. __________________ MNBurl Side Guard Holsters "If everyone is thinking alike, then somebody isn't thinking" - George S. Patton.

February 7th, 2007, 08:47 AM	#23
paramedic70002 VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Franklin, VA Posts: 2,680	0-infinity. Anything from contact to long range. Who's to say you will never be pinned down in a parking lot by the stereotypical deranged gunman with an AK? Screw the range, they are out of touch. Yeah I know you gotta shoot somewhere. I would prefer something like a mannequin at contact distance. Anybody make a mannequin target? That way you would get a better feel for 3D gun-fu. Off hand striking grabbing and blocking, hand-to-hand, disarms, push backs, getting off the mark, not shooting yourself, multiple assailants. Strongly suggest playing with a friend using airsoft pistols. Check out some of the cutting edge stuff Gabriel Suarez is doing with force on force training and experimentation. I feel he may be redefining gunfights exponentially more than Col. Cooper did back in the day. Some people think he's nuttier than the Planter's factory, I just think it would be nice when everyone can agree on which tactics and techniques are the best. www.saurezinternational.com www.warriortalk.com __________________ Guns Save Lives. Paramedics Save Lives. But... Paramedics With Guns Scare People!

February 7th, 2007, 10:05 AM	#24
pgrass101 Moderator Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: Alabama Posts: 7,654	I train from contact to 25 yards. Concentrating mainly in the 5 to 7 yard ranage. I spend more time in retenttion and one hand shooting than the 15 to 25 yard practice __________________ Noli nothis permittere te terere "If ignorance is bliss then shouldn’t most people happy?" -Thomas Jefferson-

February 7th, 2007, 02:50 PM	#25
pax Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: WA state Posts: 341	Got a baby book around here somewhere that tells me the average baby walks at 12 months of age. I gave birth to five children and ... oddly ... not a single one of them walked at 12 months of age. One walked at 8 1/2 months, one at 10 months, one at 11 months, one at 13 months, and one did not walk until 17 months old. What's all that got to do with shooting? Real simple. So what!!? if the "average" gun fight happens at X number of yards? It doesn't matter what the "average" is ... it only matters what your particular fight will be. And you don't really have any way to know what your fight will be. I practice at distances ranging from arm's length out to 50 yards, occasionally 100 yards. The majority of my shooting happens at 5 to 15 yards, usually 7 to 10. But I stay well-practiced at the other distances too. pax __________________ Managing Editor of Concealed Carry Magazine My website: Cornered Cat Buy my book! Lessons from Armed America, with Mark Walters

February 7th, 2007, 07:59 PM	#29
FIREARMZ Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 250	I know we don't keep statistics on CCW Shootings but we do keep tham on Police Officers. Some stats show that as high as 68% of LE shooting happen at 5 feet or less. I know we are not LE but think about the proximity someone has to be to you to rob, rape, steal, kidnap or car jack you? CLOSE and that puts us in the 0 to 5 feet range. That is where the majority of my personal training goes. I do train at greater distances out to 50 yards but 75% is at what we call extreme close quarters or contact distances. It is much harder to access a handgun or other weapon while in a tangle with a bad guy that it is at 10 yards and thats why we practise those distances. The ECQC where a guy sticks a gun in your gut and and says give up the freaking wallet is more likely and being gun focused can hurt us. We may be tangled up in a physical confrontation and how do you access, employ and use a pistol, knife, SAP or other tool effectively, without it being fowled or taken away? I know we hear people talking about long guns being used aginst us but it is my personal and professional opinion that that will be the .2% of the case. As civilians we tipically do not go looking for trouble and should it arise it is usually close. People cite the LA Bank Robberies and yes they used long guns but who were they shooting at? The Po Po. I suggest that if you are being engaged by someone with a rifle that you E&E as best possible. Not saying that longer distance training should be avoided or shunned. __________________ Ken Forbus Owner of FIREARMZ FIREARMZ FORUM

February 7th, 2007, 06:08 PM	#27
Tangle Senior Moderator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Chattanooga Posts: 6,611	I shoot mostly from 3 to 10 yds. But I also do some at 23 yards (longest distance indoors), but our outdoor range has some IDPA size and shaped dingers at 75 yards. I dearly love to shoot those. I don't often, but I like to.

February 7th, 2007, 06:59 PM	#28
torrejon224 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Oregon Posts: 674	I try to concentrate on distances from 2 to 15 yards and at times out to 50 but at that distance it's mainly for accuracy.

February 7th, 2007, 10:26 PM	#30
Squawker Distinguished Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Las Vegas NV Posts: 1,460	I don't know about ideal, but I tend to shoot at 7, 10, and 15 yards. Last edited by Squawker; February 8th, 2007 at 04:55 PM..

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