Ideal distance to train - Page 5

FIREARMZ · February 18th, 2007, 01:47 PM

Airborne sounds like a trigger press issue. Form your statement I would take it that you are right handed. When we jerk the trigger we jerk low left, if we are pushing the gun we will push low left. Add dummy rounds or empty brass to your magazines randomly and shoot, see if your gun is moving becasue you will not see it while the gun is moving in recoil. A 9 inch group at 25 yards is pretty easily attainable and one inch or less at 3 to 9.

PaulG · February 18th, 2007, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by lightningstrike02

Start with a "contact with the target "distance. When you draw and fire against a soft but substantial target and find out that buttons blow off, hot gas and unburned powder blow back and things dont cycle as well as you thought at 4 yards, you just learned something valuable. Training is to help you and others learn the limits of your abilities. Your abilities will be greater with practice. Keep all safety rules in mind and try something new.

Yep. The first few rounds fired from retention position while ramming your weak side forearm into the target are a real eye opener. Things like feeling the muzzle blast warm up your chest and reflect back to warm up your shooting hand or seeing the bullet impacts at less than arms length just a few inches below your weak arm or having the slide jam because you didn't tilt the gun enough away from your side.

Best to practice this at the range on a contact distance target rather than finding out how to do it on the street.

Then move to 5 feet, 10 feet, 15 feet, and the revered 21 feet.

Don't ignore 50 feet and 25 yards either.

Occasionally, I will shoot 75 yards just to make sure I can hit a human sized target somewhere on the body at that distance.

Somewhere between contact distance and 10 feet, you will find your optimum distance to transition from point shooting to aimed fire. Once you transition to aimed fire, the only variable is that as you increase the distance, you need a sharper sight picture, therefore you slow down.

Even though most defensive encounters are supposed to be within 7 yards, the next time you are in a bank try to determine the distances there. If a robbery starts while you are in the bank, you might have to shoot at some pretty long distances.

OK, I'll shut up now.

TwistedMonkey · February 19th, 2007, 12:55 AM

Well the ideal distance to trian would be 5 minutes from my house but with traffic and all it takes me 30-40 minutes to get to the range!

Tubby45 · February 19th, 2007, 12:19 PM

The indoor range goes to 25y. I practice inside of that and outside up to 50y for confidence building. Most of my shooting is done at or inside of 10m.

AzQkr · February 19th, 2007, 04:20 PM

50% [ roughly ] one handed from 2-10 feet from both stand and deliver and moving out of the kill zone.

25% [ roughly ] two handed from 10-30 feet from stand and deliver to stepping off line, moving at the threat.

10% [ roughly ] two handed out to 75 yrds

The rest of the practice is mixed and matched at targets of opportunity as they present themselves at various distances.

One day might be nothing but 3-12 feet, concentrating on the speed of the draw to one handed hits [ EU/ED ], or the sprint and hits, hiding behind the bullets moving at the threats, etc using one to three targets.

Another day might be just using the sights at range to keep the trigger control, sights, breathing up to speed.

Yet another day might be just sighting in a new gun and familiarization [ becoming one with the piece ].

Sometimes I practice nothing but drawstrokes to first round hits and reholster again, just to keep the speed of presentation with that gun and holster at optimum performance [ the startle response ] at times with one target, other times several that can be paper, steel and likely both at diefferent distances to 12 feet.

Brownie

vernonator · February 19th, 2007, 04:38 PM

Not sure if this has been stated - but 95% of police shootings happen at under 7yrd and 75% happen within 3 yrd (source is Basic Gunfighting 101 by Michael T Rayburn) so this is a big percentage of my training - close in 7 yards and less.

Smokewagon · February 19th, 2007, 06:36 PM

I shoot a lot at 15 yards. For me the shorter drills (3 and 7 yards) have become much easier and faster.

February 18th, 2007, 01:47 PM	#41
FIREARMZ Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Georgia Posts: 250	Airborne sounds like a trigger press issue. Form your statement I would take it that you are right handed. When we jerk the trigger we jerk low left, if we are pushing the gun we will push low left. Add dummy rounds or empty brass to your magazines randomly and shoot, see if your gun is moving becasue you will not see it while the gun is moving in recoil. A 9 inch group at 25 yards is pretty easily attainable and one inch or less at 3 to 9. __________________ Ken Forbus Owner of FIREARMZ FIREARMZ FORUM

February 19th, 2007, 12:19 PM	#44
Tubby45 VIP Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Making suppressors Posts: 2,406	The indoor range goes to 25y. I practice inside of that and outside up to 50y for confidence building. Most of my shooting is done at or inside of 10m. __________________ Freakshow Manufacturing LLC Ammunition- Retail, Wholesale, Law Enforcement

February 19th, 2007, 04:20 PM	#45
AzQkr Distinguished Member Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: In the Superstitions Posts: 1,771	50% [ roughly ] one handed from 2-10 feet from both stand and deliver and moving out of the kill zone. 25% [ roughly ] two handed from 10-30 feet from stand and deliver to stepping off line, moving at the threat. 10% [ roughly ] two handed out to 75 yrds The rest of the practice is mixed and matched at targets of opportunity as they present themselves at various distances. One day might be nothing but 3-12 feet, concentrating on the speed of the draw to one handed hits [ EU/ED ], or the sprint and hits, hiding behind the bullets moving at the threats, etc using one to three targets. Another day might be just using the sights at range to keep the trigger control, sights, breathing up to speed. Yet another day might be just sighting in a new gun and familiarization [ becoming one with the piece ]. Sometimes I practice nothing but drawstrokes to first round hits and reholster again, just to keep the speed of presentation with that gun and holster at optimum performance [ the startle response ] at times with one target, other times several that can be paper, steel and likely both at diefferent distances to 12 feet. Brownie __________________ The mind is the limiting factor http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/index.php

February 19th, 2007, 06:36 PM	#47
Smokewagon Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: West Texas Posts: 79	I shoot a lot at 15 yards. For me the shorter drills (3 and 7 yards) have become much easier and faster. __________________ "How a politician stands on the Second Amendment tells you how he or she views you as an individual... as a trustworthy and productive citizen, or as part of an unruly crowd that needs to be lorded, controlled, supervised, and taken care of." -- Rep. Suzanna Gratia Hupp (TX)

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February 19th, 2007, 12:55 AM	#43
TwistedMonkey Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Minneapolis, Mn Posts: 109	Well the ideal distance to trian would be 5 minutes from my house but with traffic and all it takes me 30-40 minutes to get to the range!

February 19th, 2007, 04:38 PM	#46
vernonator Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 347	Not sure if this has been stated - but 95% of police shootings happen at under 7yrd and 75% happen within 3 yrd (source is Basic Gunfighting 101 by Michael T Rayburn) so this is a big percentage of my training - close in 7 yards and less.