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Old February 6th, 2007, 07:23 PM   #1
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Ideal distance to train

In your own opinion, what is your ideal distance for training while carrying concealed? I know you should be proficient for varying distances but what would be the most likely distance you would have to shoot? For some reason, i woke up this morning with questions like this running through my head.

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Old February 6th, 2007, 07:31 PM   #2
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7 yards or so.
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Old February 6th, 2007, 07:34 PM   #3
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Me?, 10 yards or less
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Old February 6th, 2007, 07:38 PM   #4
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In my honest opinion CC training should mostly be done at 7 yards. Not saying you should not train for other situations but I feel the norm will happan within this distance. A lot also train at 25 yards on this forum but in my state I'm afraid at this distance might land you in jail. At 25 yards hopefully there is enough distance to escape. And that is what they want you to do in my state. I myself would rather take a stand and send this lost soul to a happier place than trying to take my life. States that allow you to hold your ground makes sence to train at different distance but in my state that might get you in trouble putting it to good use.
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Old February 6th, 2007, 07:42 PM   #5
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I'm no expert and I don't claim to be. But it seems to me that the majority of us can shoot a gun with a normal two hand grip when you can see a target at a distance and have time to act. What comes more unnatural to us, is up close and personal stuff. Honestly, how many of us have ever shot with a gun at our sides, one handed in a weird position, etc. While it is a good idea to be able to hit targets at any distance, I believe the one we need to practice on the most is up close. That is where MOST situations are going to happen.

Being able to draw, control the weapon, not drop it, get it on target and fire up close will be a very crucial. I intend on learning up close techniques. I haven't practiced any yet. I need to get a blue dummy gun so I can practice this with my friend or my girlfriend.
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Old February 6th, 2007, 07:45 PM   #6
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65-75% from contact to 15 ft...one handed. Focus on retention, elbow up elbow down, 1/4 hip, 3/4 hip, movement, gun as a blunt object, basic avoidance and martial responses.

Good perp and gun handling up to 15 ft means you'll probably do fine out to 30 or so.

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I train at 7-10 yards, and practice as far out as 50 feet.
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Yep - I think we mostly agree on the 5 to 7 yard region. But as has been mentioned we really need to think contact and on from there. That is why IMO there is much need for being proficient from retention.

As riverkeeper mentions, get this right and you'll be good to a bit further if really needed. I do also include 25 yards at times, simply to know the gun's abilities at that range (and mine!!!).
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Three to Five yards--

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In your own oppinion, what is your ideal distance for training while carrying concealed? I know you should be proficient for verying distances but what would be the most likley distance you would have to shoot? For some reason, i woke up thismorning with questions like this running through my head.
I practice at three and five yards. Even if someone starts at you from the 7 yard point, they'll be much closer when you react.

If they are more than 15 feet away, I'm running in the other direction-actually on an angle.

I can hardly see the target at 15 yards, though the docs insist I'm 20/20.
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There is no one true distance. To start off, there are real differences between very short range shooting (when the opponent is so close that you cannot fully extend the gun in a normal stance) and longer ranges. Practicing very short range shooting really won't help you with longer ranges and vice versa.

For shooting beyond very close range, there's a lot more transferability. The skills for shooting at three yards are basically the same as the skills for shooting at ten yards. The details, however, are still different, particularly how fast to shoot and how much care to take. If a target is three yards away I can just roughly line up the sights and let loose almost as fast as I can pull the trigger and score pretty good hits. If the target is ten yards away, I need to take a bit more time, particularly in reestablishing my sight picture between shots. If the target is 25 yards away I need to take a lot more time and concentrate on trigger control.

One place where I've found that I run into trouble in tactical shooting is transitioning between close and medium distance targets. I'm engaging at close range and just letting it rip, then the next target is at medium range, but I'm shooting too fast to be accurate at that distance. I failed to neutralize a target at a tactical shoot last weekend largely because I was trying to shoot a medium range faster than I was really capable of.

Once you're outside of contact range, the differences in how to shoot at various distances are pretty small, but they can have a large effect. You really need to practice at all ranges in order to get a feel for them and, in particular, develop a sense of your own limits at different ranges.
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