Personal defense - Page 2

nytestalker · April 5th, 2009, 01:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradyM77

Carry 9mm IWB in Don Hume holster, can of Sabre Red pepper+mace+UV dye Spray, CRKT M16 folder, and a small MagLight. As far as the Fobus holster here's a video you should watch before considering it for your CCW holster.
YouTube - Why you don't use a kydex paddle holster

Very educational video.. Thanks!

Pikachu711 · April 5th, 2009, 08:19 AM

You raise a very valid point! I've never considered carrying my wallet in my back left pocket. Like you, I'm also a right hand draw person. Not to mention that telling a LEO that my firearm was on the same side as the location of my wallet might get the LEO somewhat nervous.

It might be worth my effort to try carrying my wallet in my back left hand pocket. Thanks for the idea!

budokaitd · April 5th, 2009, 09:54 AM

I would check into some extreme close quarters training (mixing martial arts and guns). Kelly McCann (Jim Grover) has some great information on this. My biggest concern was 0-5 feet and fighting to produce a weapon before I started defensive pistol courses. The ability to get your weapon out in tight places, under great stress is priceless. Just my $.02
There's a reason why LEO's and professionals don't carry Fobus, leather is your friend. Just my $.02

Bark'n · April 5th, 2009, 10:57 AM

Tools I carry on an every day basis probably 80% or more of the time.

While a lot of people do not carry two guns (I do). Regardless, I also carry a good Benchmade Griptilian folding knife, a small can of Fox Labs OC spray and a 120 lumen LED Flashlight that is long enough to do double duty as a Kubotan impact weapon. (I don't carry the Insight M3 tac-light very often, but I sometimes have it with me) I also carry spare magazines but I forgot them when took the picture of my EDC gear. Since obtaining a Ruger LCP I will sometimes carry that as a back-up gun or even add it as a 3rd.

One of the best things I do to keep safe is practice my draw from concealment and getting off that first shot with an unloaded gun. Dry Fire Practice!

I also have lots of H2H combat skills gleaned from USMC and also as a former certified law enforcement defense and control tactics and groundfighting instructor.

Tros · April 5th, 2009, 08:23 PM

I constantly practice weapon retention (And I enjoy learning new methods), and quick draw methods.

When it comes to target practice with the pistol, I almost exclusively train with point shooting being the focus.

mercop · April 6th, 2009, 02:53 PM

Do you work on weapons retention in and out of the holster?

Tros · April 6th, 2009, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercop

Do you work on weapons retention in and out of the holster?

Yes, I try to as often as possible. However, that is not as often as I would hope. My "only" training buddy is a local deputy, so between both of our work schedules we don't have a lot of time to train. It's unfortunate because I feel that all people should train weapon retention as much as possible.

I'm always open to learning better weapon retention techniques though; Any suggestions, mercop?

mercop · April 6th, 2009, 08:47 PM

Are you using a blue gun? Also a good idea to cut the front sight off for safety. Are you doing it from standing and the ground, front and back?

The main mistake I see with lots of in the holster retention drills is they fail to take into consideration that both of the BG's hands are likely on the gun and you only have one. Much of the time I see guys keeping their gun in the holster by putting their hands on top of it. This takes lot of energy. It is easier to grab the bottom of the holster and pull it up forcing your pistol into your side preventing deployment. This also increases the bad guys fixation and is a good time to deploy a blade from the reaction side. My choice is an Emerson Karambit worn in the reverse grip.

For gun out of the holster the trick is keeping the gun close to your body and using your elbows to fight, also don't be afraid to strike with the pistol. Kicks to the attackers shins will hollow him out, bring his head down and give better access to the top of his head and spine.- George

Tros · April 6th, 2009, 09:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mercop

Are you using a blue gun? Also a good idea to cut the front sight off for safety. Are you doing it from standing and the ground, front and back?

Blue gun, yes. Good idea on the front sight though. That bugger has snagged the both of us plenty. As far as the practice, we primarily focus on standing drills (both front and back, more focus on back). Ground work, not so much.

Great advice, as always, mercop.

Ivan4x4 · April 6th, 2009, 09:16 PM

welcome to our forum

April 5th, 2009, 08:19 AM	#12
Pikachu711 VIP Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 2,095	You raise a very valid point! I've never considered carrying my wallet in my back left pocket. Like you, I'm also a right hand draw person. Not to mention that telling a LEO that my firearm was on the same side as the location of my wallet might get the LEO somewhat nervous. It might be worth my effort to try carrying my wallet in my back left hand pocket. Thanks for the idea! __________________ "80 Million gun owners can't be wrong!" Glock 26 (9mm) Nevada CFP Holder NRA Member

April 5th, 2009, 09:54 AM	#13
budokaitd Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Boone County, MO Posts: 102	I would check into some extreme close quarters training (mixing martial arts and guns). Kelly McCann (Jim Grover) has some great information on this. My biggest concern was 0-5 feet and fighting to produce a weapon before I started defensive pistol courses. The ability to get your weapon out in tight places, under great stress is priceless. Just my $.02 There's a reason why LEO's and professionals don't carry Fobus, leather is your friend. Just my $.02 __________________ Join the NRA and Gun Owners of America.

April 5th, 2009, 10:57 AM	#14
Bark'n VIP Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: West Central Missouri Posts: 4,298	Tools I carry on an every day basis probably 80% or more of the time. While a lot of people do not carry two guns (I do). Regardless, I also carry a good Benchmade Griptilian folding knife, a small can of Fox Labs OC spray and a 120 lumen LED Flashlight that is long enough to do double duty as a Kubotan impact weapon. (I don't carry the Insight M3 tac-light very often, but I sometimes have it with me) I also carry spare magazines but I forgot them when took the picture of my EDC gear. Since obtaining a Ruger LCP I will sometimes carry that as a back-up gun or even add it as a 3rd. One of the best things I do to keep safe is practice my draw from concealment and getting off that first shot with an unloaded gun. Dry Fire Practice! I also have lots of H2H combat skills gleaned from USMC and also as a former certified law enforcement defense and control tactics and groundfighting instructor. __________________ -Bark'n Semper Fi "The gun is the great equalizer... For it is the gun, that allows the meek to repel the monsters; Whom are bigger, stronger and without conscience, will prey on those of us who without one, would surely perish."

April 5th, 2009, 08:23 PM	#15
Tros Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Salina, KS Posts: 433	I constantly practice weapon retention (And I enjoy learning new methods), and quick draw methods. When it comes to target practice with the pistol, I almost exclusively train with point shooting being the focus. __________________ XD-45 w/Stainless Steel Red Cross CPR/First Aid/AED Instructor EX - OC Spray Instructor EX - Restraint Instructor

April 6th, 2009, 02:53 PM	#16
mercop Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: PA Posts: 608	Do you work on weapons retention in and out of the holster? __________________ 2010 MCS Calander http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgb7wjh3_299f8tncbcz

April 6th, 2009, 08:47 PM	#18
mercop Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: PA Posts: 608	Are you using a blue gun? Also a good idea to cut the front sight off for safety. Are you doing it from standing and the ground, front and back? The main mistake I see with lots of in the holster retention drills is they fail to take into consideration that both of the BG's hands are likely on the gun and you only have one. Much of the time I see guys keeping their gun in the holster by putting their hands on top of it. This takes lot of energy. It is easier to grab the bottom of the holster and pull it up forcing your pistol into your side preventing deployment. This also increases the bad guys fixation and is a good time to deploy a blade from the reaction side. My choice is an Emerson Karambit worn in the reverse grip. For gun out of the holster the trick is keeping the gun close to your body and using your elbows to fight, also don't be afraid to strike with the pistol. Kicks to the attackers shins will hollow him out, bring his head down and give better access to the top of his head and spine.- George __________________ 2010 MCS Calander http://docs.google.com/View?id=dgb7wjh3_299f8tncbcz

April 6th, 2009, 09:16 PM	#20
Ivan4x4 Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Fort Worth , Texas Posts: 499	welcome to our forum __________________ EDC's Colt Defender 45 acp and Sig 229 .40 cal Springfield XD 45 acp Ruger SR9 Ruger Super RedHawk .44 mag mossberg 590 12 gauge tactical bushmaster AR15-M4

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