Tactical Response class review, Fighting Pistol in Muncy, PA 6/1/09-6/2/09 - Page 2

Blackeagle · June 18th, 2009, 10:06 AM

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Originally Posted by MitchellCT

Tactical Response also offers a 2 day Trauma Medical Class.

They also offer a 5 day medical course for civilian contractors (it's not everyday that you see a medical course that requires 2000 rounds of rifle ammo

).

jaygibson · June 18th, 2009, 10:10 AM

Hey guys and gals,

Check out "HRCC Interviews" on YouTube. Good stuff.

Jay

Rob72 · June 18th, 2009, 01:39 PM

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/05/01/op...ooks.html?_r=2
The article is being discussed elsewhere. Regardless of feeling on the TR issue(and this article is unrelated), a poster had this very relevant notation:

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One of my instructors is considered a martial arts "genius". He trains and teaches hours daily. You cannot have a conversation with him which does not revolve around martial arts. When he drives he thinks about martial arts and elbows the steering wheel. He is a martial arts savant. I do not wish this on anyone, it effects relationships and lifestyle. Nothing is wrong with being really good. But even real good needs work.

Just a bit more, from someone else:

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I thought the 'X,000 hours' part was fairly widely accepted. I highlighted the other specifically because I see people making the same mistakes night after night (raises hand - "Guilty Your Honor"). Even when I'm trying to be diligent my mind wants to race through things. Without deliberate conscious effort to focus on the details we inevitably reduce what is presented (or what we know ourselves) to a diluted or distorted approximation, perhaps still reasonably effective, perhaps not. It's not exactly the same phenomena but it's no surprise when it comes time to roll to see people fail at things they 'know' because they rush through them missing half the details.

On the other hand, to say it's important to slow down isn't the same as saying we should do everything slow. I was going to babble about that but the clock says it's time to go... Follow up on that later if someone else doesn't happily (and better qualified) beat me to it.

Rob72 · June 18th, 2009, 02:56 PM

This is general, and should probably be a topic of its own, however:

we spend significant time discussing tools and tactics here, but virtually none on strategic overview and the actual theory of martial action. In large part, I believe, this is due to the broad base of members and the extremely variable level of background and experience. This is not "bad" but can be limiting, and certainly an internet forum lacks much in interpersonal cues and information.

Understanding rationale is what seperates a practicum-specialist from the practioner. There is an actual science to developing higher performance and appropriate application of that performance. This is where the phrase, "know what you don't know" comes from.

A practicum-specialist is able to run a basic diagnostic and has a trained, set response; the practioner is able to immediately take the same basic assessment and one or more potential responses, and is able to run, for lack of a better term, a "consequential alogorithm"- they are sequentially 2-4 steps ahead in the OODA cycle. But, and this is a big "BUT", this is not only in the decision making cycle, but in the actualization as well. To equate it to my primary field, this level of practice is what seperates the Trauma or PICU "God" from the Trauma or PICU Physcian.

"THE" wrongful death/malpractice attorney in our state sought out one of our physcians to deliver care to him. His stated reason: "In over 100 suits, you've never been found at fault. Others second guess you, but your decision-making and practice are, in all practical terms, faultless."

Again, this a "general" statement. I am not a TR alumni, nor affiliated with them in any way.

I do demand excellence from myself. I will continue to push limits, personally and professionally, to enhance my ability to perform to a higher standard, on demand.

MitchellCT · June 18th, 2009, 03:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob72

"THE" wrongful death/malpractice attorney in our state sought out one of our physcians to deliver care to him. His stated reason: "In over 100 suits, you've never been found at fault. Others second guess you, but your decision-making and practice are, in all practical terms, faultless."

Dam.

That guy must be completely insufferable to work with now...

Rob72 · June 18th, 2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by MitchellCT

Dam.

That guy must be completely insufferable to work with now...

Nope, he's cool. Which was really my point- "good enough" is never good enough for some.

Bunny · June 18th, 2009, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MitchellCT

OK, fair enough.

RE: Emergency Medical treatment - Tactical Response also offers a 2 day Trauma Medical Class.

Now THAT is a class I would definitely want to take! Basic 1st aid and CPR are fantastic for everyone to know, but you never know when you will come across something (like a car accident, or worse) where you would need a bit more. This is a great idea.

dgg9 · June 18th, 2009, 04:33 PM

I've had 40 hrs of training from Tactical Response. They treat you like an adult. You will learn a lot.

MitchellCT · June 18th, 2009, 04:45 PM

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Originally Posted by dgg9

I've had 40 hrs of training from Tactical Response. They treat you like an adult. You will learn a lot.

Yes, they do & you will.

jaygibson · June 18th, 2009, 07:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Bunny

Now THAT is a class I would definitely want to take! Basic 1st aid and CPR are fantastic for everyone to know, but you never know when you will come across something (like a car accident, or worse) where you would need a bit more. This is a great idea.

Very, very true.

Jay

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June 18th, 2009, 10:10 AM	#12
jaygibson Member Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Tennessee Posts: 26	Hey guys and gals, Check out "HRCC Interviews" on YouTube. Good stuff. Jay

June 18th, 2009, 02:56 PM	#14
Rob72 VIP Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: OK Posts: 3,468	This is general, and should probably be a topic of its own, however: we spend significant time discussing tools and tactics here, but virtually none on strategic overview and the actual theory of martial action. In large part, I believe, this is due to the broad base of members and the extremely variable level of background and experience. This is not "bad" but can be limiting, and certainly an internet forum lacks much in interpersonal cues and information. Understanding rationale is what seperates a practicum-specialist from the practioner. There is an actual science to developing higher performance and appropriate application of that performance. This is where the phrase, "know what you don't know" comes from. A practicum-specialist is able to run a basic diagnostic and has a trained, set response; the practioner is able to immediately take the same basic assessment and one or more potential responses, and is able to run, for lack of a better term, a "consequential alogorithm"- they are sequentially 2-4 steps ahead in the OODA cycle. But, and this is a big "BUT", this is not only in the decision making cycle, but in the actualization as well. To equate it to my primary field, this level of practice is what seperates the Trauma or PICU "God" from the Trauma or PICU Physcian. "THE" wrongful death/malpractice attorney in our state sought out one of our physcians to deliver care to him. His stated reason: "In over 100 suits, you've never been found at fault. Others second guess you, but your decision-making and practice are, in all practical terms, faultless." Again, this a "general" statement. I am not a TR alumni, nor affiliated with them in any way. I do demand excellence from myself. I will continue to push limits, personally and professionally, to enhance my ability to perform to a higher standard, on demand.

June 18th, 2009, 04:33 PM	#18
dgg9 Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: philadelphia Posts: 476	I've had 40 hrs of training from Tactical Response. They treat you like an adult. You will learn a lot.