Carrying Mags- Bullets Forward or Backward - Page 3

GlockGal · August 21st, 2009, 08:03 PM

Bullets forward for me too. One smooth motion, index finger on the tip of that visible hollow point and ride it home!

Tubby45 · August 21st, 2009, 09:10 PM

My index finger is on the first round in the mag along the front.

I don't get that argument for bullets forward. I have identical results and my bullets face back.

And how is bullets forward less wrist movement? You have to turn your hand palm out, grab the mag, rotate your wrist over again then seat the magazine.

With bullets back, I draw my magazine in the same manner of motion as my firearm. Once it clears, my entire arm is used to seat the magazine.

Bullets Forward

Rotating wrist to orientate mag to insert

Bullets Rearward

This would be the position of insertion. I'm home alone so had to pic myself.

I fail to see how rotating your wrist from palm out to palm in (bullets forward) is more natural and less movement than a simple draw and raise to seat (bullets rearward). Whatever works I guess.

Rcher · August 21st, 2009, 09:20 PM

Tubby ...

Thanks for taking time to post pics. I completely agree with you. With bullets forward, you have to rotate the magazine or grab palm out to orient the bullets properly.

I learned well over 30 yrs ago to carry bullets rear so as the magazine is presented to the magwell, all is inline and proper.

Now, I know for a fact that personal combat training teaches bullets forward (and I'm an instructor) but it never made sense to me nor did it work very well for me. This is one area that "I do not practice what I preach".

cmb · August 21st, 2009, 09:22 PM

I always put them in the magazine facing forward, they come out of the gun much better that way.

being serious... I pocket carry my mags left side bullets facing left in back pocket and facing to the right in front pocket.

InspectorGadget · August 21st, 2009, 09:50 PM

Most of what I am hearing makes it sound complicated, I start with a empty mag holster, release the mag from weapon in a weaver stance and move it naturally back into the mag holster, this could vary depending on where I have the mag holster placed but generally faces the bullets clockwise for the left hand, counter clockwise for the right hand. I can shoot with either hand.

retsupt99 · August 21st, 2009, 10:21 PM

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Originally Posted by TucAzRider

I don't understand this,.. If bullets are facing down, and your weakside mounded,.. (with forward facing bullets) it would appear you would have to rotate the mag (twist your wrist?) Is that how you insert the mag? Just trying to get a idea on how it is done that way..

My palm is facing in...when I draw my extra mag (unlike Tubby45's palm facing out...see post #22)...does that clarify?

retsupt99 · August 21st, 2009, 10:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Rcher

Tubby ...

Thanks for taking time to post pics. I completely agree with you. With bullets forward, you have to rotate the magazine or grab palm out to orient the bullets properly.

I learned well over 30 yrs ago to carry bullets rear so as the magazine is presented to the magwell, all is inline and proper.

Now, I know for a fact that personal combat training teaches bullets forward (and I'm an instructor) but it never made sense to me nor did it work very well for me. This is one area that "I do not practice what I preach".

Not if you grasp the extra mag with your palm facing in...thus, the thumb is on the front of the mag not the back of the mag like in post #22.
I'm not saying that either way is incorrect, just different, and either could work.
Keep in mind that mags can be placed horizontally, vertically, strong side, weakside, 7:00, 8:00, 9:00 10:00, 2:00, and combinations thereof...for this right-hander.

This whole thread is a bit confusing...seems easier to write out instructions for my wife to change the oil in the car.

Tubby45 · August 21st, 2009, 10:55 PM

Tried that and it's very awkward. The grip still requires rotation to index the magazine to the magazine well. With the rear facing, it's one continuous upward & forward motion with no additional rotations or movements. Pull it out, bring chest high, and push into the gun.

I'd like to see pics of the range of motion you are talking about, retsupt99.

Rcher · August 21st, 2009, 11:04 PM

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Originally Posted by retsupt99

This whole thread is a bit confusing...seems easier to write out instructions for my wife to change the oil in the car.

kpw · August 21st, 2009, 11:11 PM

Tubby, that first pic looks like an akward way to grab your mag.
Try standing naturally with your hands at your side, relaxed. Your palms should be facing rearward...most people anyway. Bring your hand straight up to the mag, stick your thumb behind the mag and your 3 fingers around the front with your index finger along the front of the mag carrier. Your palm should be on the bottom of the mag. Pull it straight up. With your pistol at face level and turned to the side, point your finger at the front of the mag well, insert and slam home with your palm.

I can try to get some pics tomorrow if you'd like.

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August 21st, 2009, 09:20 PM	#23
Rcher Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Montana (resident) Utah (currently) Posts: 1,092	Tubby ... Thanks for taking time to post pics. I completely agree with you. With bullets forward, you have to rotate the magazine or grab palm out to orient the bullets properly. I learned well over 30 yrs ago to carry bullets rear so as the magazine is presented to the magwell, all is inline and proper. Now, I know for a fact that personal combat training teaches bullets forward (and I'm an instructor) but it never made sense to me nor did it work very well for me. This is one area that "I do not practice what I preach". __________________ >>----> Keep it Concealed: *"The Element of Surprise is Far Superior than the Target of Fate".*

August 21st, 2009, 09:22 PM	#24
cmb Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: florida Posts: 371	I always put them in the magazine facing forward, they come out of the gun much better that way. being serious... I pocket carry my mags left side bullets facing left in back pocket and facing to the right in front pocket. Last edited by cmb; August 21st, 2009 at 09:48 PM.. Reason: serious addition

August 21st, 2009, 09:50 PM	#25
InspectorGadget Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: PENSACOLA, FL Posts: 513	Most of what I am hearing makes it sound complicated, I start with a empty mag holster, release the mag from weapon in a weaver stance and move it naturally back into the mag holster, this could vary depending on where I have the mag holster placed but generally faces the bullets clockwise for the left hand, counter clockwise for the right hand. I can shoot with either hand. __________________ Colt 1911 New Agent, CTLaser You do not work for them, they work for you. Senators http://senate.gov/general/contact_in...nators_cfm.cfm Congressmen http://www.house.gov/house/MemberWWW_by_State.shtml

August 21st, 2009, 10:55 PM	#28
Tubby45 VIP Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Making suppressors Posts: 2,406	Tried that and it's very awkward. The grip still requires rotation to index the magazine to the magazine well. With the rear facing, it's one continuous upward & forward motion with no additional rotations or movements. Pull it out, bring chest high, and push into the gun. I'd like to see pics of the range of motion you are talking about, retsupt99. __________________ Freakshow Manufacturing LLC Ammunition- Retail, Wholesale, Law Enforcement

August 21st, 2009, 08:03 PM	#21
GlockGal Member Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: North Carolina Posts: 101	Bullets forward for me too. One smooth motion, index finger on the tip of that visible hollow point and ride it home!

August 21st, 2009, 09:10 PM	#22
Tubby45 VIP Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Making suppressors Posts: 2,406	My index finger is on the first round in the mag along the front. I don't get that argument for bullets forward. I have identical results and my bullets face back. And how is bullets forward less wrist movement? You have to turn your hand palm out, grab the mag, rotate your wrist over again then seat the magazine. With bullets back, I draw my magazine in the same manner of motion as my firearm. Once it clears, my entire arm is used to seat the magazine. Bullets Forward Rotating wrist to orientate mag to insert Bullets Rearward This would be the position of insertion. I'm home alone so had to pic myself. I fail to see how rotating your wrist from palm out to palm in (bullets forward) is more natural and less movement than a simple draw and raise to seat (bullets rearward). Whatever works I guess. __________________ Freakshow Manufacturing LLC Ammunition- Retail, Wholesale, Law Enforcement

August 21st, 2009, 11:11 PM	#30
kpw Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: PA Posts: 1,116	Tubby, that first pic looks like an akward way to grab your mag. Try standing naturally with your hands at your side, relaxed. Your palms should be facing rearward...most people anyway. Bring your hand straight up to the mag, stick your thumb behind the mag and your 3 fingers around the front with your index finger along the front of the mag carrier. Your palm should be on the bottom of the mag. Pull it straight up. With your pistol at face level and turned to the side, point your finger at the front of the mag well, insert and slam home with your palm. I can try to get some pics tomorrow if you'd like. __________________ "In a republic this rule ought to be observed: that the majority should not have the predominant power." - -- Marcus Tullius Cicero

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