Question for the IDPA guys

Ram Rod · August 31st, 2009, 09:23 PM

I do on average a couple of IPSC matches a year. I thought about increasing until the Steel Challenge came along with the USPSA this past year, and the wife and I got really involved where we make every monthly match. My question is about the round count on the IDPA scene compared to my IPSC matches which normally run anywhere from 150-189 rounds minimum. In these times and conditions, I would think the minimum round count might be reduced, but I'm guessing it was set in time for any USPSA sanctioned event. Our club schedules most of the matches on weekends which pretty much coincides with our work schedules one way or another. But....there is an indoor range relatively close that does IDPA matches on a weekly basis on weekday evenings. What do you all shoot on average per match? It's a feasibility issue with me mainly, and I'd like continuing practice for me and my wife in the action shooting sports since I've got her hooked. We'll continue to do the Steel Challenge monthly for the year, but I want to get her into the action, and at twice the rounds fired, at least there could be some trade off as to at least not traveling as far or less rounds fired to get the same effect. Follow me?
I'm not looking for pros and cons, one over the other, or what's best for what reason. Just what meets our current criteria. Thanks

Blackeagle · August 31st, 2009, 10:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ram Rod

What do you all shoot on average per match?

At our local matches, generally 50-100 rounds.

ghawk249 · September 1st, 2009, 01:17 AM

The round count on any particular stage is no more than 18.

Anubis · September 1st, 2009, 01:42 AM

About 100 per match.

Ram Rod · September 1st, 2009, 05:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ghawk249

The round count on any particular stage is no more than 18.

So how many stages in a match?

Thanks. Looks like this would cut down on our round count by almost 50%.

Miggy · September 1st, 2009, 08:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ram Rod

So how many stages in a match?

That is up to the club probably depending on time and space. We run 4-5 stages a match. Don't let the 18 round per stage fool you, if the stage is Vickers count, you are allowed (and probably will need) to shoot extra to make up for bad shot placement. Our rule of thumb is 120 rounds per 5 stage match.

HK Dan · September 1st, 2009, 10:29 AM

Ram,

I normally run 7 stages and go for 60-75 rounds for IDPA. We try to keep USPSA under 100 rounds due to time considerations, but we've been known to exceed that.

IDPA would be good for her. It's more relaxed than USPSA, for one thing. I advise beginners to start with IDPA to get used to the process and get into USPSA when they want to improve their gun handling skills...<g> Let's face it, of the two, USPSA is vastly superior with respect to identifying weaknesses in your style or technique.

Now the caveat; Most USPSA shooters, especially the L10, Limited, or Open guys--HATE IDPA. It's too limiting. It's too scripted (and it is). They don't like retaining partial mags, using cover, or engaging targets in a specific order. It's one heck of a hurdle to jump at first.

Next--not all IDPA clubs are created equal. Some run "USPSA Lite", which is a real disservice. We run solid defensive oriented stages with oddball start positions, short round counts (not every stage requires a mag change, ******), and try to test one skill that they can take home and practice (like retention draws). Some clubs just run USPSA stages--"How can we make it harder?" instead of "Could this really happen?". Nice, fun, but not IDPA.

What do I mean? We've run stages where the shooter has 2 targets, 2 shots each, while being jostled by the score keeper to simulate bing in a crowd running from the threat. We did one where the shooter starts 6 feet from the target. At the beep he has 2 seconds to draw, clear a line 10 feet away and put two rounds in the target. We run it each way (L and R). 4 rounds. It's called "Get off the X"

So, look for a solid, defensively oriented IDPA club who plays by the rule book (they don't all do that). PM your location and I'll help ya dig one up close by!

Dan

HK Dan · September 1st, 2009, 10:31 AM

Sorry--just noticed (duh) your location on your signature line.

Here ya go!

Benton Gun Club
Benton, AR
USA
Club Match 4th Sat. of every month
Ryan Reed
Mobile: 501-952-9897
Patrick Holsted
Mobile: 501-766-4942

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Arkansas Combat Pistol League
Berryville, AR
USA
2nd Sat.
Carroll Lawrence
Home: 870-423-2338
Gary Dunlap

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Mountain Valley Sportsman's Association
Hot Springs, AR
USA
1st Sun. after the 1st Sat.@ 1 pm and 3rd Sat. at 9 am.
Larry Powell
Home: 501-939-2788
Work: 501-922-1045
Fax: 501-922-6217
Steve Freeman
Home: 501-620-4374
Work: 501-545-9939
Fax: 501-318-6919

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Central A R Shooters Association
Little Rock, AR
USA
3rd Saturday of every month
Matt Mc Arthur
Home: 501-333-2699 (range)
Mobile: 501-920-5732

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Twin Lakes Gun Club
Mountain Home, AR
USA
4th Sat. of each month
Rick Watkins
Home: 870-405-7256
Work: 870-405-7256

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Pine Bluff Gun Club
Pine Bluff, AR
USA
2nd Sat. of month
Kyle Wood
Home: 870-879-3834
Mobile: 870-540-7388
Michael Walls

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Sturm's I D P A
Springdale, AR
USA
every other Tues.
Steve Sturm
Work: 479-927-2244

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Ozark Tactical Shooters
Tonitown (Ozark Sportsman Supply), AR
USA
3rd Mon. of every month
Jon Hodoway
Mobile: 479-430-0103

Chevyguy85 · September 1st, 2009, 11:47 AM

the most stages i've seen @ my range is 7 stages and thats only on the july 4th type match where they make a "red white and blue" stage that is just for fun and not a sanctioned stage. With my terrible shooting and paranoia about having a poor shot i usually shoot between 100-120 per normal match of 6 stages. regardless i don't recall going over 150 yet. hopefully i'll make it to the match this sunday

VR4 · September 3rd, 2009, 06:18 PM

My local club we run 8 stages and shoot about 100-150 rounds. At another club they run 5-6 stages and shoot 100 rounds because of the time limit on the range.

August 31st, 2009, 09:23 PM	#1
Ram Rod VIP Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: crawford county, arkansas Posts: 8,807	Question for the IDPA guys I do on average a couple of IPSC matches a year. I thought about increasing until the Steel Challenge came along with the USPSA this past year, and the wife and I got really involved where we make every monthly match. My question is about the round count on the IDPA scene compared to my IPSC matches which normally run anywhere from 150-189 rounds minimum. In these times and conditions, I would think the minimum round count might be reduced, but I'm guessing it was set in time for any USPSA sanctioned event. Our club schedules most of the matches on weekends which pretty much coincides with our work schedules one way or another. But....there is an indoor range relatively close that does IDPA matches on a weekly basis on weekday evenings. What do you all shoot on average per match? It's a feasibility issue with me mainly, and I'd like continuing practice for me and my wife in the action shooting sports since I've got her hooked. We'll continue to do the Steel Challenge monthly for the year, but I want to get her into the action, and at twice the rounds fired, at least there could be some trade off as to at least not traveling as far or less rounds fired to get the same effect. Follow me? I'm not looking for pros and cons, one over the other, or what's best for what reason. Just what meets our current criteria. Thanks __________________ RamRod-----sans remords live, eat, breathe, sleep Glock

September 1st, 2009, 01:42 AM	#4
Anubis Distinguished Member Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Arapahoe County CO Posts: 1,256	About 100 per match. __________________ "If you got to shoot, shoot! Don't talk!" -Tuco Ramirez-

September 1st, 2009, 10:29 AM	#7
HK Dan Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 360	Ram, I normally run 7 stages and go for 60-75 rounds for IDPA. We try to keep USPSA under 100 rounds due to time considerations, but we've been known to exceed that. IDPA would be good for her. It's more relaxed than USPSA, for one thing. I advise beginners to start with IDPA to get used to the process and get into USPSA when they want to improve their gun handling skills...<g> Let's face it, of the two, USPSA is vastly superior with respect to identifying weaknesses in your style or technique. Now the caveat; Most USPSA shooters, especially the L10, Limited, or Open guys--HATE IDPA. It's too limiting. It's too scripted (and it is). They don't like retaining partial mags, using cover, or engaging targets in a specific order. It's one heck of a hurdle to jump at first. Next--not all IDPA clubs are created equal. Some run "USPSA Lite", which is a real disservice. We run solid defensive oriented stages with oddball start positions, short round counts (not every stage requires a mag change, ******), and try to test one skill that they can take home and practice (like retention draws). Some clubs just run USPSA stages--"How can we make it harder?" instead of "Could this really happen?". Nice, fun, but not IDPA. What do I mean? We've run stages where the shooter has 2 targets, 2 shots each, while being jostled by the score keeper to simulate bing in a crowd running from the threat. We did one where the shooter starts 6 feet from the target. At the beep he has 2 seconds to draw, clear a line 10 feet away and put two rounds in the target. We run it each way (L and R). 4 rounds. It's called "Get off the X" So, look for a solid, defensively oriented IDPA club who plays by the rule book (they don't all do that). PM your location and I'll help ya dig one up close by! Dan __________________ "You can't miss fast enough to win."

September 1st, 2009, 10:31 AM	#8
HK Dan Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Iowa Posts: 360	Sorry--just noticed (duh) your location on your signature line. Here ya go! Benton Gun Club Benton, AR USA Club Match 4th Sat. of every month Ryan Reed Mobile: 501-952-9897 Patrick Holsted Mobile: 501-766-4942 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Arkansas Combat Pistol League Berryville, AR USA 2nd Sat. Carroll Lawrence Home: 870-423-2338 Gary Dunlap -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Mountain Valley Sportsman's Association Hot Springs, AR USA 1st Sun. after the 1st Sat.@ 1 pm and 3rd Sat. at 9 am. Larry Powell Home: 501-939-2788 Work: 501-922-1045 Fax: 501-922-6217 Steve Freeman Home: 501-620-4374 Work: 501-545-9939 Fax: 501-318-6919 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Central A R Shooters Association Little Rock, AR USA 3rd Saturday of every month Matt Mc Arthur Home: 501-333-2699 (range) Mobile: 501-920-5732 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Twin Lakes Gun Club Mountain Home, AR USA 4th Sat. of each month Rick Watkins Home: 870-405-7256 Work: 870-405-7256 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Pine Bluff Gun Club Pine Bluff, AR USA 2nd Sat. of month Kyle Wood Home: 870-879-3834 Mobile: 870-540-7388 Michael Walls -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Sturm's I D P A Springdale, AR USA every other Tues. Steve Sturm Work: 479-927-2244 -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Ozark Tactical Shooters Tonitown (Ozark Sportsman Supply), AR USA 3rd Mon. of every month Jon Hodoway Mobile: 479-430-0103 __________________ "You can't miss fast enough to win."

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September 1st, 2009, 01:17 AM	#3
ghawk249 Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: tennessee Posts: 58	The round count on any particular stage is no more than 18.

September 1st, 2009, 11:47 AM	#9
Chevyguy85 Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Orlando, Florida Posts: 380	the most stages i've seen @ my range is 7 stages and thats only on the july 4th type match where they make a "red white and blue" stage that is just for fun and not a sanctioned stage. With my terrible shooting and paranoia about having a poor shot i usually shoot between 100-120 per normal match of 6 stages. regardless i don't recall going over 150 yet. hopefully i'll make it to the match this sunday

September 3rd, 2009, 06:18 PM	#10
VR4 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: WA Posts: 35	My local club we run 8 stages and shoot about 100-150 rounds. At another club they run 5-6 stages and shoot 100 rounds because of the time limit on the range.