My idea for a school - Page 2

QKShooter · September 17th, 2009, 02:22 PM

Tell them that the instruction is going to start in 15 or 20 minutes and send them over for an ice cold drink and a donut first.

On their casual way over to the refreshment stand ambush them and "kill" them all with a paintball gun.

cwblanco · September 17th, 2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by BkCo1

When I took my tactical class they had live fire over our heads and explosions going off. Sixto are you going to have that type of class? Semper Fi

Are you referring to your military training which includes hidden artillery ground burst similators, etc.?

Somehow I envisioned that Sixto had something in mind that would be more atuned to a real potential civilian scenario that would attract students of both genders.

Other possible names:

Civilian Defense (Select applicable ending: [ ] Academy [ ] School [ ] Training [ ] Institute)

Defensive Awareness (Select applicable ending: School, etc)

Covering Your Six(to)

Institute for Covering Your Six(to).

SIXTO · September 17th, 2009, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by BkCo1

When I took my tactical class they had live fire over our heads and explosions going off. Sixto are you going to have that type of class?
How about Sixto's Situation Awareness Finishing School ?

Semper Fi

Yeah, I've done that too. The problem with it is, even with the live fire and explosions, you know you will be just fine. Nobody there wanted to hurt you.
I know I can't create a class where I'm going to off some students, but I can create one where I get the pucker factor as high as possible.

Another aspect that is hardly ever properly addressed is everything that come after a shooting. The mental, legal and financial drains it puts on people and their familys. Nobody is adequately preparing the CCW culture for that. Yeah, they might spend a few minutes dusting over the topic, but nobody really gets down and dirty into the bowels of the real pit of the 'aftermath'.

HK Dan · September 17th, 2009, 02:47 PM

Keep it simple. Self Defense, Inc. Self Defense Solutions. Active Defense. Preparedness, LLC. Skillset Dynamics. <g> Makes better logos, too!

Dan

64zebra · September 17th, 2009, 02:53 PM

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Originally Posted by cj

My NRA 'Personal defense in the home' course I took (for my CCW) was taught a bit like this with some of the considerations you describe (not sure if it's standard or not, but that's how mine went) In the course of fire for the class, one section is to yell something before shooting...

I have heard about one instructor (not in my class) who told his class to yell, "I can't believe this is happening to me!" since that's what's typically running through your head. He'd even had a student follow up at a later date saying that that is exactly what she yelled before having to shoot an attacker.

I would violate forum rules, so I can't type here what I've said to people when I've had to draw on them

and its exactly what goes through my mind
It helps to relay the point to the subject that they are about to get shot if..........

May not work from some ranges where language is restricted or may be offensive to some, but in the real world when you're dealing with a total dirtbag that may be the only language they understand, it is a good idea to get in the habit of saying something, yelling at the prospective perp makes you BREATH also, very important

I had a vehicle run from me a couple weeks ago, stopped and driver bailed, I gave chase, as I approached the pickup I could now see there were multiple people in it so I drew and gave some harsh commands while retreating to the cover of my car and waited for backup
turns out 2 drunk/high adults and 3 kids under 7 in there, I felt bad for saying what I did in front of the kids but in the moment you do what you have to do

64zebra · September 17th, 2009, 02:57 PM

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Originally Posted by SIXTO

Yeah, I've done that too. The problem with it is, even with the live fire and explosions, you know you will be just fine. Nobody there wanted to hurt you.
I know I can't create a class where I'm going to off some students, but I can create one where I get the pucker factor as high as possible.

Another aspect that is hardly ever properly addressed is everything that come after a shooting. The mental, legal and financial drains it puts on people and their familys. Nobody is adequately preparing the CCW culture for that. Yeah, they might spend a few minutes dusting over the topic, but nobody really gets down and dirty into the bowels of the real pit of the 'aftermath'.

very true on all accounts

I know you know this Sixto.......live fire simunitions scenarios is probably the closest you can come to the real thing, it was great during the academy, I learned a lot
the problem is getting permission and costs associated with sims rounds/weapons

SIXTO · September 17th, 2009, 03:16 PM

Just to be clear, I wasn't really asking for help with a name. I was using the play on words to illustrate a much larger point.

I was just making the point that a lot of these shooting schools would be better served to replace the word "tactical" with the word typical.
But, 99 out of 100 responses to a life threatening situation are hardly the orchestrated tactical response taught to people. Its going to be a chaotic "Holy S***T" fight or flight response. Yes, maybe you will use some of the tools taught to you, but it wont be in the same context that you were taught in. I can guarantee that.
I'm saying, why not embrace the human nature element and deal with it realistically instead of pretending its not there and everybody is Bruce Willis who laughs in the face of danger and eats bullets for the hell of it.

kazzaerexys · September 17th, 2009, 03:25 PM

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Originally Posted by GlockGal

How about WTSHTF Academy?

I'll go for "Sixto's Home-Defense Tactical Foundations Academy", or SHTF Academy for short.

kazzaerexys · September 17th, 2009, 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by SIXTO

Another aspect that is hardly ever properly addressed is everything that come after a shooting. The mental, legal and financial drains it puts on people and their familys. Nobody is adequately preparing the CCW culture for that.

I wouldn't quite say nobody, there. That is pretty much Mas Ayoob's bailiwick, at least at the LFI-1 & 2 level instruction, and it is one of the main reasons I picked that as my first real course to attend. I do, however, agree that is definitely an under-represented part of the curriculum in most self-defense schools.

jwhite75 · September 17th, 2009, 04:22 PM

I like the idea....a name that actually gets to the point of your mission and is real "real world".

September 17th, 2009, 02:47 PM	#14
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September 17th, 2009, 03:16 PM	#17
SIXTO VIP Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Ohio Posts: 12,258	Just to be clear, I wasn't really asking for help with a name. I was using the play on words to illustrate a much larger point. I was just making the point that a lot of these shooting schools would be better served to replace the word "tactical" with the word typical. But, 99 out of 100 responses to a life threatening situation are hardly the orchestrated tactical response taught to people. Its going to be a chaotic "Holy S*T" fight or flight response. Yes, maybe you will use some of the tools taught to you, but it wont be in the same context that you were taught in. I can guarantee that. I'm saying, why not embrace the human nature element and deal with it realistically instead of pretending its not there and everybody is Bruce Willis who laughs in the face of danger and eats bullets for the hell of it. __________________ _________________ \|^^^^^^^^^^^^^\| \|___ \| SIXTO EXPRESS*---\| \|\|'\|";,__. \|_..._...___________\| \|\|_\|_\|...,] "(@)'(@)""""\|(@)(@)******(@)

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September 17th, 2009, 02:22 PM	#11
QKShooter Assistant Administrator Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Off Of The X Posts: 23,499	Tell them that the instruction is going to start in 15 or 20 minutes and send them over for an ice cold drink and a donut first. On their casual way over to the refreshment stand ambush them and "kill" them all with a paintball gun.