Friend Shot Himself Reholstering - Page 4

sgtD · September 21st, 2009, 09:05 PM

I certainly hope your friend recovers ok.

Aside from the speculation inherent in this discussion, due to the fact that no one really knows what happened for sure, I think there is a bit of foolishness that may have also led to this incident. He said he was practicing drawing, firing, reholstering real fast and repeating that???

Think about this, what usefullness would it ever serve someone in the real world to be able to holster real fast? Fast draw, yes; when ones life is in danger and they need to quickly deploy the weapon. But, the time for reholstering should be after the shooting is over and the threat is either neutralized or no longer present. Then you should have plenty of time to be careful.

How does "speed holstering" have any practical application to self defense. (rhetorical quesition, not a hijack attempt)

I think this kind of thing comes from the Tactical Tommy, run and gun game world, and has no practical application beyond that world. It's a shame that people are convinced otherwise and injure themselves.

Leopard125 · September 21st, 2009, 09:27 PM

So does any one care to guess how hot your gun has to be to "cook"
off a round?
We shot a rifle side match yesterday and man my gun was smoking "really".
I.ve fire some pretty long stages and had a really hot pistol before.

Slim_45 · September 21st, 2009, 09:45 PM

I do wish your friend a quick recovery

But i would like to offer up my .02

Even though iam not a XD owner you can not really blame this on the XD, Glock (yes i do), etc..
If these 3 simple rules were followed this would not have happened:

1. Keep your finger off the trigger
2. Keep your ***** finger out of the trigger guard
3. Keep your ***** finger out of the ***** trigger

matdicdad · September 21st, 2009, 09:46 PM

+1 sgtD. I am pretty sure that I wouldn't speed reholster. Could definately be a problem.

BradyM77 · September 22nd, 2009, 12:03 AM

I agree with you all on the fast reholster and told him so. I told him how in my last class we were taught to put the gun in the sol position and scan your surroundings no matter what drill we were running. That way if a round did cook off your only pointing at the ground. He agreed thats a much better idea and I'm sure this is a "self correcting problem" that wont ever happen again.

TheShadow · September 22nd, 2009, 02:01 AM

The only incident I've had reholstering was a bit of the spare tire flesh somehow worked between my holster and a 1911. Pinched the fire out of me... enough to remember every time I reholster . Minor (UNDERSTATEMENT) compared to this!

Best wishes and a speedy recovery for your friend!

DM2 · September 22nd, 2009, 02:26 AM

Okay, for the newbie here (me). What exactly is "cooking off a round"? Can this happen with any firearm? Is this inherent to a specific gun or ammo? The XDM 9MM is on my short list for purchase and I haven't read anything about this issue during my research.

I hope this isn't a stupid question. If it is, please go easy on me. I've really been doing a lot of research so I can purchase the best I can afford right now for my first purchase.

BradyM77 · September 22nd, 2009, 03:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DM2

Okay, for the newbie here (me). What exactly is "cooking off a round"? Can this happen with any firearm? Is this inherent to a specific gun or ammo? The XDM 9MM is on my short list for purchase and I haven't read anything about this issue during my research. .

Im sorry Ive always called it cooking off a round. The actual name is a hangfire, its a misfire that even after the "click" might still go off cause its "cooking" on the inside. If you ever have one hold your gun aiming downrange at the very least for 1 minute. Its rare but happens sometimes with old mil surp ammo.

TN_Mike · September 22nd, 2009, 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BradyM77

My friend Saturday was out shooting his XD when he was reholstering and shot himself at belt level. The bullet traveled down his thigh and came out beside his kneecap, breaking his leg in the process. He is laid up for 5 to 6 weeks and expects many good jokes about his stupidity when he gets back to work. Just a good reminder to keep up your trigger discipline and to take your time reholstering.

I hope your buddy heals up 100% and I really hope this teaches him a lesson that he really takes to heart. He could have easily hit the femoral artery and bled out in a minute or so. Trigger finger discipline is crucial! He just showed everyone why.

dukalmighty · September 22nd, 2009, 03:51 AM

There is actually a term for a round cooking off and it requires that you fire so fast and the barrel/chamber gets so hot it ignites the powder in the cartridge from the heat,I've only seen this happen with an M60 machinegun and linked belts of ammo with sustained fire,the barrel literally turned red and even when the gunner took his finger off the trigger the gun kept firing,twisting the belt stops the rounds feeding and stops the runaway gun

September 21st, 2009, 09:05 PM	#31
sgtD VIP Member Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Kansas Posts: 2,212	I certainly hope your friend recovers ok. Aside from the speculation inherent in this discussion, due to the fact that no one really knows what happened for sure, I think there is a bit of foolishness that may have also led to this incident. He said he was practicing drawing, firing, reholstering real fast and repeating that??? Think about this, what usefullness would it ever serve someone in the real world to be able to holster real fast? Fast draw, yes; when ones life is in danger and they need to quickly deploy the weapon. But, the time for reholstering should be after the shooting is over and the threat is either neutralized or no longer present. Then you should have plenty of time to be careful. How does "speed holstering" have any practical application to self defense. (rhetorical quesition, not a hijack attempt) I think this kind of thing comes from the Tactical Tommy, run and gun game world, and has no practical application beyond that world. It's a shame that people are convinced otherwise and injure themselves. __________________ When you've got 'em by the balls, their hearts & minds will follow. Semper Fi.

September 21st, 2009, 09:45 PM	#33
Slim_45 Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Central MI Posts: 832	I do wish your friend a quick recovery But i would like to offer up my .02 Even though iam not a XD owner you can not really blame this on the XD, Glock (yes i do), etc.. If these 3 simple rules were followed this would not have happened: 1. Keep your finger off the trigger 2. Keep your *** finger out of the trigger guard 3. Keep your * finger out of the *** trigger __________________ Kimber Ultra Carry 2 Kimber Eclipse Target 2 Glock 19 (doesnt everyone) Kahr PM9 (wife's edc) NRA member

September 22nd, 2009, 12:03 AM	#35
BradyM77 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kentucky Posts: 636	I agree with you all on the fast reholster and told him so. I told him how in my last class we were taught to put the gun in the sol position and scan your surroundings no matter what drill we were running. That way if a round did cook off your only pointing at the ground. He agreed thats a much better idea and I'm sure this is a "self correcting problem" that wont ever happen again. __________________ Having a gun and saying you're armed is like having a guitar and saying you're a musician. Jeff Cooper

September 22nd, 2009, 02:01 AM	#36
TheShadow Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: TheShadows Posts: 407	The only incident I've had reholstering was a bit of the spare tire flesh somehow worked between my holster and a 1911. Pinched the fire out of me... enough to remember every time I reholster . Minor (UNDERSTATEMENT) compared to this! Best wishes and a speedy recovery for your friend! __________________ If we lose freedom here, there is no place to escape to. This is the last stand on Earth -Ronald Reagan

September 22nd, 2009, 02:26 AM	#37
DM2 Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Michigan Posts: 177	Okay, for the newbie here (me). What exactly is "cooking off a round"? Can this happen with any firearm? Is this inherent to a specific gun or ammo? The XDM 9MM is on my short list for purchase and I haven't read anything about this issue during my research. I hope this isn't a stupid question. If it is, please go easy on me. I've really been doing a lot of research so I can purchase the best I can afford right now for my first purchase. __________________ DM2 "I did the thing I feared the most. Excuse me while I cheer. Now here I stand a stronger soul and all I lost was fear." ...Anonymous

September 21st, 2009, 09:27 PM	#32
Leopard125 Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: New Mexico USA Posts: 120	So does any one care to guess how hot your gun has to be to "cook" off a round? We shot a rifle side match yesterday and man my gun was smoking "really". I.ve fire some pretty long stages and had a really hot pistol before.

September 21st, 2009, 09:46 PM	#34
matdicdad Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: SE Virginia Posts: 739	+1 sgtD. I am pretty sure that I wouldn't speed reholster. Could definately be a problem.

September 22nd, 2009, 03:51 AM	#40
dukalmighty VIP Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: texas Posts: 6,383	There is actually a term for a round cooking off and it requires that you fire so fast and the barrel/chamber gets so hot it ignites the powder in the cartridge from the heat,I've only seen this happen with an M60 machinegun and linked belts of ammo with sustained fire,the barrel literally turned red and even when the gunner took his finger off the trigger the gun kept firing,twisting the belt stops the rounds feeding and stops the runaway gun __________________ I like Poetry,Long Walks On The Beach,And Poking Dead Things With A Stick

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