Getting "Intimate" with Violence - Page 2

SwampRat · September 23rd, 2009, 11:14 AM

Maybe its just me but I dont see where the Poll has anything to do with the article..After you get past all the medical terminology the meat and intent of the article comes down to the last paragraph or last few sentences....Fear response, hesitation, flinching etc..can get you dead if you are not trained for an immediate violent reaction

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After repeated exposure to immediate violence over several days, the amygdala began to be reprogrammed to react in an instantly aggressive nature, countering the violent attack as opposed to a flinching reaction. How significant is this? This physical reaction can be initiated in as little as twelve thousandths of a second. That's Defensive Intelligence and that can save your life…if you’re training for it. More to come.....

tns0038 · September 23rd, 2009, 11:21 AM

The greatest gift God gave mankind is freedom of will. Reason God wanted to have a friend in mankind and in order for that to succeed mankind had to have capacity of choice.

What the true reason someone chooses to go down the wrong path, will depend on many factors for an individual.

A prime example is my cousins:

Two males raised by loving parents, in an upper class neighborhood. Their father an MD and their mother a medical professional. Their father while having a busy workload, always took the time, to take them on wonderful vacations, play ball in the yard, go fishing, and help them with their home work.

And their mother was very loving, and compassionate, always cooked for them, and they had a maid to make sure they always had clean clothing, and the house was always keep clean. Both parents made sure they had everything they needed, and pretty much wanted and always took them to church on Sundays.

As your adults, one got into drugs, and robed a store, so he could buy more drugs. Arrested, convicted and sent away for 10 years. Your tax dollars sent him to trade school after prison, but instead today he works in the “porn” field.

The other collage graduate, married for 20 plus years to a loving wife, and father to a wonderful son, and is a VP of a fortune 500 company.

So my point is while there may be many factors it all boils down to choice.

wpk · September 23rd, 2009, 11:23 AM

Violence will always exist as long as one person owns something that another person wants.

M203Sniper · September 23rd, 2009, 12:12 PM

Good Question.

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Scientists disagree on whether violence is inherent in humans. Among prehistoric humans, there is archaeological evidence for both contentions of violence and peacefulness as primary characteristics.

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The “violent male ape” image is often brought up in discussions of human violence.

“we also have lots of natural mechanisms for cooperation, to keep conflict in check, to channel aggression, and to overcome conflict. These are just as natural to us as the aggressive tendencies."

James Gilligan writes violence is often pursued as an antidote to shame or humiliation.

Stephen Pinker in a New Republic article “The History of Violence” offers evidence that on the average the amount and cruelty of violence to humans and animals has decreased

Violence - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good luck getting an answer.

J Barney · September 23rd, 2009, 01:24 PM

Swamprat,

At the end of the thread I wrote "More to come". I'm taking you down a road here. There's a few more stops along the way....stay with me.

1980Maico440 · September 23rd, 2009, 01:47 PM

from websters online-
Main Entry: vi·o·lence
Pronunciation: \ˈvī-lən(t)s, ˈvī-ə-\
Function: noun
Date: 14th century
1 a : exertion of physical force so as to injure or abuse (as in warfare effecting illegal entry into a house) b : an instance of violent treatment or procedure
2 : injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation : outrage
3 a : intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force <the violence of the storm> b : vehement feeling or expression : fervor; also : an instance of such action or feeling c : a clashing or jarring quality : discordance
4 : undue alteration (as of wording or sense in editing a text)

Nova · September 23rd, 2009, 02:25 PM

"If you go back to the birth of nations, if you come down to our own day, if you examine peoples in all possible conditions from the state of barbarism to the most advanced civilization, you always find war. From this primary cause, and from all the other connected causes, the effusion of human blood has never ceased in the world. Sometimes blood flows less abundantly over some larger area, sometimes it flows more abundantly in a more restricted area, but the flow remains nearly constant."

-Joseph de Maistre, Destruction of the Human Species, "Considerations on France."

ArmyCop · September 23rd, 2009, 02:46 PM

The absence of Light.

SwampRat · September 23rd, 2009, 08:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J Barney

Swamprat,

At the end of the thread I wrote "More to come". I'm taking you down a road here. There's a few more stops along the way....stay with me.

J Barney..been down that road....but I'll walk along with ya..

ccw9mm · September 23rd, 2009, 08:51 PM

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Originally Posted by ArmyCop

The absence of Light.

Probably. Illumination does wonders.

Grog was a genius. Fire was his greatest invention.

But illumination (as in "understanding") does wonders, too. Once ignorance is dispelled, fear is reduced and the mind starts to open. Only then, can effective learning occur.

View Poll Results: What do you believe is the root of violence?
An abusive childhood experience.	10	7.30%
A neurological defect	8	5.84%
An expression of spiritual evil	37	27.01%
Violence is a natural occurrance.	82	59.85%
Voters: 137. You may not vote on this poll

September 23rd, 2009, 11:23 AM	#13
wpk Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Ohio Posts: 274	Violence will always exist as long as one person owns something that another person wants. __________________ "America is a nation of laws; poorly written and randomly enforced." -Frank Zappa

September 23rd, 2009, 01:24 PM	#15
J Barney New Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Findlay, OH Posts: 2	Great Input from everyone!!! Swamprat, At the end of the thread I wrote "More to come". I'm taking you down a road here. There's a few more stops along the way....stay with me. __________________ J BARNEY: Gunfight survivor / Instructor www.DefconCCW.com

September 23rd, 2009, 01:47 PM	#16
1980Maico440 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Arizona Posts: 66	from websters online- Main Entry: vi·o·lence Pronunciation: \ˈvī-lən(t)s, ˈvī-ə-\ Function: noun Date: 14th century 1 a : exertion of physical force so as to injure or abuse (as in warfare effecting illegal entry into a house) b : an instance of violent treatment or procedure 2 : injury by or as if by distortion, infringement, or profanation : outrage 3 a : intense, turbulent, or furious and often destructive action or force <the violence of the storm> b : vehement feeling or expression : fervor; also : an instance of such action or feeling c : a clashing or jarring quality : discordance 4 : undue alteration (as of wording or sense in editing a text) __________________ I won't stop racing when I get old, I will get old when I stop racing NRA Life, Master Mason, Jack-of-All-Trades (Master of None)

September 23rd, 2009, 02:46 PM	#18
ArmyCop Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Chickasaw, AL Posts: 1,043	The absence of Light. __________________ Matthew 6 Seek ye therefore first the kingdom of God, and his justice, and all these things shall be added unto you.

September 23rd, 2009, 11:21 AM	#12
tns0038 Distinguished Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Florida Posts: 1,931	The greatest gift God gave mankind is freedom of will. Reason God wanted to have a friend in mankind and in order for that to succeed mankind had to have capacity of choice. What the true reason someone chooses to go down the wrong path, will depend on many factors for an individual. A prime example is my cousins: Two males raised by loving parents, in an upper class neighborhood. Their father an MD and their mother a medical professional. Their father while having a busy workload, always took the time, to take them on wonderful vacations, play ball in the yard, go fishing, and help them with their home work. And their mother was very loving, and compassionate, always cooked for them, and they had a maid to make sure they always had clean clothing, and the house was always keep clean. Both parents made sure they had everything they needed, and pretty much wanted and always took them to church on Sundays. As your adults, one got into drugs, and robed a store, so he could buy more drugs. Arrested, convicted and sent away for 10 years. Your tax dollars sent him to trade school after prison, but instead today he works in the “porn” field. The other collage graduate, married for 20 plus years to a loving wife, and father to a wonderful son, and is a VP of a fortune 500 company. So my point is while there may be many factors it all boils down to choice.

September 23rd, 2009, 02:25 PM	#17
Nova Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Virginia Posts: 190	"If you go back to the birth of nations, if you come down to our own day, if you examine peoples in all possible conditions from the state of barbarism to the most advanced civilization, you always find war. From this primary cause, and from all the other connected causes, the effusion of human blood has never ceased in the world. Sometimes blood flows less abundantly over some larger area, sometimes it flows more abundantly in a more restricted area, but the flow remains nearly constant." -Joseph de Maistre, Destruction of the Human Species, "Considerations on France."

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