How your eyes can cast your fate in a gunfight - Page 2

Matthew Temkin · October 24th, 2009, 05:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jackle1886

I too thought of point shooting as I read this. Looks like more training for me ;) But that's never a bad thing. I was surprised though, that even when the rookies KNEW it was coming they still were slow to react.

Nothing beats actual experience
Nothing.

automatic slim · October 24th, 2009, 06:02 PM

When an LEO, I always tried to concentrate on a persons hands. The person may be smiling, laughing, etc., but his hands will tell you what he's really thinking.

oldogy · October 24th, 2009, 06:19 PM

Makes a lot of sense. Many thanks for posting.
oldogy

RMS · October 24th, 2009, 10:29 PM

Good information. Thanks for posting.

searcher 45 · October 24th, 2009, 10:57 PM

This same advice should work well in close encounters with someone using a knife against you. Watch the hands!!!!!

EvilMonk · November 1st, 2009, 06:53 AM

Something I learned a while ago, and practice as much as possible. Point shoot your first round and go from there.

The "perfect stance" is great and all, but you may never have the opportunity to use it in a Life Threatening Situation. You have to learn to be comfortable (read: proficient) with a variety of different stances and shooting positions. Hip shots, bad body angles, moving targets and so on.

If someone jumps out of the shadows, you may be on guard, but you might be off balance. My buddies and I used to train (out of sight of the officers, as they thought we were just "playing") by jumping each other from corners and windows (in Iraq, this could happen; here, corners can still happen) and drawing while in a controlled fall. We called it a "Ground Finish".

Sorry, I got off track I guess...

Interesting that they studied the phenomena so closely as to even examine eye movement during the incident. Good stuff.

PastorPack · November 1st, 2009, 10:07 AM

wow, great article. I'd love to see those videos.

First Sgt · November 1st, 2009, 08:17 PM

Nice read!! Thanks for posting.

jbone · November 1st, 2009, 09:24 PM

Excellent post! Thank you!

nutz4utwo · November 1st, 2009, 10:07 PM

many more articles and reaction time data:

Force Science Institute, Ltd.

October 24th, 2009, 06:02 PM	#12
automatic slim Distinguished Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: The western edge of The Confederacy Posts: 1,223	When an LEO, I always tried to concentrate on a persons hands. The person may be smiling, laughing, etc., but his hands will tell you what he's really thinking. __________________ "First gallant South Carolina nobly made the stand." Edge of Darkness

October 24th, 2009, 06:19 PM	#13
oldogy Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: East TN&OH Posts: 216	Makes a lot of sense. Many thanks for posting. oldogy __________________ Government is out of control "If gun laws in fact worked, the sponsors of this type of legislation should have no difficulty drawing upon long lists of examples of crime rates reduced by such legislation. That they cannot do so after a century and a half of trying -- " Sen Orrin G. Hatch

November 1st, 2009, 06:53 AM	#16
EvilMonk Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: N. Kentucky Area Posts: 275	Something I learned a while ago, and practice as much as possible. Point shoot your first round and go from there. The "perfect stance" is great and all, but you may never have the opportunity to use it in a Life Threatening Situation. You have to learn to be comfortable (read: proficient) with a variety of different stances and shooting positions. Hip shots, bad body angles, moving targets and so on. If someone jumps out of the shadows, you may be on guard, but you might be off balance. My buddies and I used to train (out of sight of the officers, as they thought we were just "playing") by jumping each other from corners and windows (in Iraq, this could happen; here, corners can still happen) and drawing while in a controlled fall. We called it a "Ground Finish". Sorry, I got off track I guess... Interesting that they studied the phenomena so closely as to even examine eye movement during the incident. Good stuff. __________________ That which does not kill us leaves us broken and bleeding... Convenire Volui Spectatus

November 1st, 2009, 10:07 AM	#17
PastorPack Senior Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: Northern California Posts: 1,124	wow, great article. I'd love to see those videos. __________________ God is love (1 John 4:8)

November 1st, 2009, 08:17 PM	#18
First Sgt Distinguished Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Florence, SC Posts: 1,855	Nice read!! Thanks for posting. __________________ Sometimes in life you have to stand your ground. It's a hard lesson to learn and even most adults don't get it, but in the end only I can be responsible for my life. If faced with any type of adversity, only I can overcome it. Waiting for someone else to take responsibility is a long fruitless wait.

October 24th, 2009, 10:29 PM	#14
RMS Member Join Date: Apr 2009 Location: West KY Posts: 358	Good information. Thanks for posting.

October 24th, 2009, 10:57 PM	#15
searcher 45 Member Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: TEXAS Posts: 449	This same advice should work well in close encounters with someone using a knife against you. Watch the hands!!!!!

November 1st, 2009, 09:24 PM	#19
jbone Member Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: NY, USA Posts: 369	Excellent post! Thank you! __________________ Note: This post may contain misspellings, grammatical errors, disorganized sentence structure, or may entirely lack a coherent theme. These elements are natural to the process of writing, and will only add to the overall beauty of the post.

November 1st, 2009, 10:07 PM	#20
nutz4utwo Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Western, WA Posts: 1,046	many more articles and reaction time data: Force Science Institute, Ltd. __________________ street economics = school yard rules for bad guys

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