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Old November 1st, 2009, 11:25 PM   #21
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 12:18 AM   #22
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Thanks, Janq. Very interesting read...

Let me say first that I have never explicitly practiced point shooting. In shooting IDPA, though, I know that there is a different way to engage closer targets than farther ones and I know that there are targets I can hit just fine without a classical sight picture.

This past weekend I shot the IDPA Blackwater Shootout, a 12-stage match set up entirely in the shoot-houses at the Blackwater facility. There were a couple of longer range targets, but 90+% of the targets were at interior room distances---5yds or closer. The setups required opening doors and rapidly engaging several targets from cover before moving to the next engagement point.

I shot the match very well, and what surprised me afterward was how I remembered seeing things after I was done shooting. I can remember extended strings of fire where I saw the targets clearly, saw the front of my slide overlaid on the down-zero (center of mass) area of the targets, and saw .45-caliber holes appearing in the cardboard where I was looking.

There were a few cases where threat targets and non-threat targets were in unusual geometries (non-threat above the threat, low on the wall) where I know my first reaction was to aim at the wrong target, but I was already seeing the non-threat indication and switching my aim to the correct target.

Anyway, I am not ready to apply for ERT or anything, but a lot of what's in that article resonates with what I recall from the match, where I was probably more "in the zone" for a longer stretch of time than I think I have been at any match I have shot so far. (The format of the match also had more adrenaline running through my system than any match I remember---my heart was racing at the end of every stage! )

So, thanks again for the post. You managed to get me at a really good time to read that.
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 01:21 AM   #23
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Very interesting read. Thanks for posting. I, too, would love to see the videos. It's amazing how 500 milliseconds can be considered a long time. Very interesting read indeed.
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 01:57 AM   #24
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Good read -- thanks
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 06:13 AM   #25
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Excellent post! I've been subscribing to Force Science Research Centers email newsletter for a couple years now. Always excellent and noteworthy information comes from them.

I agree that Ayoob was way ahead of his time when he wrote the StressFire series.
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 08:14 AM   #26
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I remember seeing the tech they used on future weapons or similar show. Pretty slick! At least they are trying to update the training to include tips from experienced LEO

good read thanks Janq
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 09:54 AM   #27
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In this training scenario I wonder what the hit rate would be if they had used laser equipped guns?
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On the laser equiped handguns, good question as I've found that they cut my response time in a darkene situation by a bit, but I haven't measured it.
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This confirms what I learned a long time ago when taught by an old-timer. He told me to, [B]"Watch the hands ...B]

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Sounds like a real good reason to learn & train point shooting!


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Ayoob was ahead of his time. 25 years ago, StressFire (1984), Chapter 7 Point Index, Page 55


+1 on thanks, Janq, for posting.
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interesting article and info. Thanks for sharing. I'd be interested in viewing the videos of this to see how groups reacted, along with actually seeing how individuals moved their eyes. Good stuff.
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