Recommendations for 1st Def. Carry Knife - Page 2

Lawrence Keeney · December 1st, 2005, 08:59 PM

My favorites are the Spyderco Endura and Delica, the Scorpius, and Spyderhawk.

In the CRKT line, I like the Grant Hawk DOG LOCK. Stout lock, simple, and the right blade length.

In the SOG line, I favor the Flash II

Each of these knives can be found used on line lots of times for less than 50 bucks..Oh, and for a dedicated self defense folder, you need to go for a serrated edge, Especially in the hawkbilled blades like the spyderhawk. :1saufen:

Dingle1911 · December 2nd, 2005, 10:56 AM

Recently I have been carrying my Spyderco Para Military. It may be alittle out of your price range, but I would check on ebay and maybe you could find one for $100.

Most of the time my knife opens mail and cuts fruit. It sure will hold an edge though.

Good Luck in your search. And whatever you decide to get make sure that you train with it.

Gideon · December 2nd, 2005, 11:40 AM

Great responses and all are very appreciated!!!

The selection of knives out there are positively over whelming! I've never had any training with knives. I carry a Kahr P9 or a S&W 637. I will carry a Kel-Tec P3AT when I'm in dress clothes and simply can't pull off anything else. At work I'm not allowed to cary and I'm limited somewhat when I ride a motorcycle, but I can carry the knife more often. My whole life is lived in a very low threat environment but I still like the extra protection.

I don't think there's anyone around my area (Perryville, MO) that does knife training but I might get one of the DVD's.

As I said, for me, I consider a knife an absolute last ditch better than nothing proposition.

Thanks again for all of the input, I really do appreciate it!

Gideon

dpesec · December 2nd, 2005, 01:17 PM

I'm not a knife person, but I do carry them as a Weapon of last resort.
Depending on what/where I'm going I'll carry a Kershaw, SOG TRIdent of a CRKT Desert Special Forces Knife, CR-M1614Z. What I like about the CRKT is the hand guard. Unlike most folders where you had can slip onto the blade, this one should prevent it.

KenpoTex · December 3rd, 2005, 08:40 PM

First, the legal junk, just to clarify a little...Here's a link to Missouri's Revised Statutes. See number 10 under "definitions." Basically it's illegal to carry a concealed knife in MO. However, unless it's a fixed blade, or has a blade longer than 4", or is double-edged, or is a butterfly-knife or a switchblade, it is not considered a "knife" under MO law (makes a hellovalota sense don't it?

). In other words, you can carry the nastiest tactical folder you can find as long as the blade is 4" or less.

Now for the fun part: If you have a CCW you can carry any knife except a switchblade or a butterfly-knife (as long as you have your CCW permit on you). It doesn't matter how big it is; you could literally carry a 12" bowie if you wanted to.

As far as the type of knife, if you have a CCW (I hope you do since you carry

) and are primarily interested in a defensive weapon, I'd go with a small fixed blade (Shiv-Works Disciple, Spyderco Ronin, Benchmade Nimravus Cub, CRKT Companion, etc.) in addition to a folder. A fixed blade is faster to deploy and less affected by "butterfingers-syndrome."
For folders, I like Spyderco, Cold Steel, Benchmade, SOG, CRKT, etc. Really, just find a knife from a reputable manufacturer that you are comfortable with. What works for me may not work for you. That said, I like folders that can open on the draw, such as Emerson, and Spyderco's and some Benchmades with the ghetto-wave.

Definately check out SouthNarc's DVD's...Great stuff.

soflasmg · December 3rd, 2005, 10:56 PM

I don't carry a knife for defense per se, I typically have a spyderco on me though.

Check out www.shivworks.com for some interesting ideas on defensive knives, especially the "clinch pick" and "lil loco".

They will make you think about certain up close and personal defensive problem solving.

soflasmg · December 3rd, 2005, 10:58 PM

Kenpotex, you were way ahead of me on the shivworks blade. Missed it when I posted.

KevinInstructor · December 5th, 2005, 12:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TwoRavens

Spyderco Gunting (black, desinged to be used as kobutan, more on the black tactical side tho.., might be over you limit)

Spyderco Dodo (blue or black, short blade, can be used a kobutan)

What a pity Sal at Spyderco stopped production on the Gunting and wonderful news Bram is working to keep it alive. I own two black, one blue and two red with color kydex sheaths for each.

KevinInstructor · December 5th, 2005, 12:33 AM

For under $75 you can pick up a Spyderco Endura FRN Plain Edge (rather then SS which can be slippery when S*** hits the fan aka "Flight Fight or Flee") and there is also a drone available for training. If you are serious about using any knife for SD then you should have a drone trainer too. Most companies don't offer trainers so people will dull the blade which is not nearly as safe as a drone.

The Delica IMHO is too small for most peoples hands for SD. It looks good and many will believe it is a good self defense knife but I have played with them and would not count on a "five second hold" which means after a full force impact your hand should not move from the original grip, else you might very well cut yourself.

Pseudo-Fed · December 7th, 2005, 10:08 PM

If strictly for defensive purposes and your mode of carry permits, you can't beat Ka-Bar's TDI law enforcement knife, designed by and for law enforcement. Worn between the belt and pant, it presents nicely and is ideally positioned in the hand for gross defensive movements (which is all you'll be capable of). Here is mine in a pic, and a link:

https://www.kabar.com/product_detail...%20Enforcement

And, it retails for $39 and I got mine online for $26.

Later,
Jeff

December 1st, 2005, 08:59 PM	#11
Lawrence Keeney Member Join Date: Apr 2005 Location: West Virginia Posts: 327	My favorites are the Spyderco Endura and Delica, the Scorpius, and Spyderhawk. In the CRKT line, I like the Grant Hawk DOG LOCK. Stout lock, simple, and the right blade length. In the SOG line, I favor the Flash II Each of these knives can be found used on line lots of times for less than 50 bucks..Oh, and for a dedicated self defense folder, you need to go for a serrated edge, Especially in the hawkbilled blades like the spyderhawk. :1saufen: __________________ "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong." Denny Crane:

December 2nd, 2005, 01:17 PM	#14
dpesec Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Ohio Posts: 536	I'm not a knife person, but I do carry them as a Weapon of last resort. Depending on what/where I'm going I'll carry a Kershaw, SOG TRIdent of a CRKT Desert Special Forces Knife, CR-M1614Z. What I like about the CRKT is the hand guard. Unlike most folders where you had can slip onto the blade, this one should prevent it. __________________ Dave “The highest obligation and privilege of citizenship is that of bearing arms”. General George Patton—US Army Vis et Veneratio "So this is how democracy dies: to thunderous applause." Actress Natalie Portman as Padme in Star Wars Revenge of the Sith

December 3rd, 2005, 08:40 PM	#15
KenpoTex VIP Member Join Date: Jun 2005 Location: SW Missouri Posts: 2,142	First, the legal junk, just to clarify a little...Here's a link to Missouri's Revised Statutes. See number 10 under "definitions." Basically it's illegal to carry a concealed knife in MO. However, unless it's a fixed blade, or has a blade longer than 4", or is double-edged, or is a butterfly-knife or a switchblade, it is not considered a "knife" under MO law (makes a hellovalota sense don't it? ). In other words, you can carry the nastiest tactical folder you can find as long as the blade is 4" or less. Now for the fun part: If you have a CCW you can carry any knife except a switchblade or a butterfly-knife (as long as you have your CCW permit on you). It doesn't matter how big it is; you could literally carry a 12" bowie if you wanted to. As far as the type of knife, if you have a CCW (I hope you do since you carry ) and are primarily interested in a defensive weapon, I'd go with a small fixed blade (Shiv-Works Disciple, Spyderco Ronin, Benchmade Nimravus Cub, CRKT Companion, etc.) in addition to a folder. A fixed blade is faster to deploy and less affected by "butterfingers-syndrome." For folders, I like Spyderco, Cold Steel, Benchmade, SOG, CRKT, etc. Really, just find a knife from a reputable manufacturer that you are comfortable with. What works for me may not work for you. That said, I like folders that can open on the draw, such as Emerson, and Spyderco's and some Benchmades with the ghetto-wave. Definately check out SouthNarc's DVD's...Great stuff. __________________ "Being a predator isn't always comfortable but the only other option is to be prey. That is not an acceptable option." ~Phil Messina If you carry in Condition 3, you have two empty chambers. One in the weapon...the other between your ears. Matt K.

December 3rd, 2005, 10:56 PM	#16
soflasmg Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 201	I don't carry a knife for defense per se, I typically have a spyderco on me though. Check out www.shivworks.com for some interesting ideas on defensive knives, especially the "clinch pick" and "lil loco". They will make you think about certain up close and personal defensive problem solving. __________________ The Marshmallowist

December 3rd, 2005, 10:58 PM	#17
soflasmg Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 201	Kenpotex, you were way ahead of me on the shivworks blade. Missed it when I posted. __________________ The Marshmallowist

December 2nd, 2005, 10:56 AM	#12
Dingle1911 Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: NC Posts: 177	Recently I have been carrying my Spyderco Para Military. It may be alittle out of your price range, but I would check on ebay and maybe you could find one for $100. Most of the time my knife opens mail and cuts fruit. It sure will hold an edge though. Good Luck in your search. And whatever you decide to get make sure that you train with it.

December 2nd, 2005, 11:40 AM	#13
Gideon Distinguished Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Missouri Posts: 1,209	Great responses and all are very appreciated!!! The selection of knives out there are positively over whelming! I've never had any training with knives. I carry a Kahr P9 or a S&W 637. I will carry a Kel-Tec P3AT when I'm in dress clothes and simply can't pull off anything else. At work I'm not allowed to cary and I'm limited somewhat when I ride a motorcycle, but I can carry the knife more often. My whole life is lived in a very low threat environment but I still like the extra protection. I don't think there's anyone around my area (Perryville, MO) that does knife training but I might get one of the DVD's. As I said, for me, I consider a knife an absolute last ditch better than nothing proposition. Thanks again for all of the input, I really do appreciate it! Gideon

December 5th, 2005, 12:33 AM	#19
KevinInstructor Member Join Date: Nov 2005 Location: Oregon USA Posts: 188	For under $75 you can pick up a Spyderco Endura FRN Plain Edge (rather then SS which can be slippery when S*** hits the fan aka "Flight Fight or Flee") and there is also a drone available for training. If you are serious about using any knife for SD then you should have a drone trainer too. Most companies don't offer trainers so people will dull the blade which is not nearly as safe as a drone. The Delica IMHO is too small for most peoples hands for SD. It looks good and many will believe it is a good self defense knife but I have played with them and would not count on a "five second hold" which means after a full force impact your hand should not move from the original grip, else you might very well cut yourself. __________________ Stay Safe, Kevin CSSDSD Instructor ACCJT Certified LEO DT Instructor NRA Instructor

December 7th, 2005, 10:08 PM	#20
Pseudo-Fed New Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Ft. Worth, TX Posts: 6	If strictly for defensive purposes and your mode of carry permits, you can't beat Ka-Bar's TDI law enforcement knife, designed by and for law enforcement. Worn between the belt and pant, it presents nicely and is ideally positioned in the hand for gross defensive movements (which is all you'll be capable of). Here is mine in a pic, and a link: https://www.kabar.com/product_detail...%20Enforcement And, it retails for $39 and I got mine online for $26. Later, Jeff

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