Unarmed Combat and Martial Arts - Page 5

Hopyard · July 21st, 2009, 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by dukalmighty

I have black sneakers in Run Like Hell

Me too. But trying to remedy that a bit.
Elsewhere here in a different thread Rob pointed out that a lot of the dirt we might need to deal with have had a lot more fighting practice in prison.

There is actually a martial art called "jailhouse;' the cultural anthropology behind the development of the different styles is interesting--how each fits a niche need.

There is a snippet of Jailhouse in one of the knife fighting videos posted here a day or two ago. Its the scene where the attacker has the guy he's going to stab against a wall, reaches up with his left hand to attack the face and divert attention, and punches the shive in the belly 4-times real fast. Note how the style is designed for tight spaces as in a jail house.

The proper counter to someone skilled in jail house is a black belt in Hollow Point.

Cupcake · July 21st, 2009, 09:13 PM

I guess I'll throw in my 2 cents: I'm on the injured list at the moment, but I still consider my self a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu student, who has dabbled and likely will study Muay Thai more seriously in the future. I enjoy these two sports, and they both absolutely have value on the street, but at the end of the day, they are sports. Sports with rules, and that is my dilemma with them and MMA for self defense in general. Even when playing around with friends, I find after the fact that I missed a ton of opportunities to do real damage and end a fight, but during the game I don't even think about it because the rules are so deeply seeded in my mind.

So deeply seeded that once my buddy was trying to disarm me (training gun) and when he closed I instinctively tossed the gun aside so I could use two hands to fight. Not smart but better to learn about it in my friends' living room than on the street. My point is that training in a sport can be very helpful if I ever face one on one, or even two on one at times...but there are plenty of scenarios where one NEEDS to be able to flip the rules switch to the off position, and training in a system that emphasizes that from the beginning has got to be a benefit in that area.

I still love my MMA training, and want to get back to it...but I also wish I could afford to take Krav at a good school.

njr · July 22nd, 2009, 01:02 AM

cupcake, I recall seeing some books or videos on amazon, maybe it was by Marc MacYoung or someone of his ilk re making your martial art street ready. You can also check out _Complete Krav Maga_ by Levine and Whitman. In Systema, we have it set up so you can find training partners through the website. You might check out MA sites to see if there are other kravists in your area. Or, check out Systema- takes longer to learn, but there's a lot of really good, real world stuff there, I think it's actually superior to Krav in terms of closing with skilled opponents, multiple opponents, etc.

mfcmb · July 22nd, 2009, 02:05 AM

2nd degree black belt in Aikido. Have used it a lot for wrestling with multiple little kids, dodging falling boxes, avoiding inattentive drivers, weaving through traffic with a car or motorcycle. Excellent for situational awareness, command presence, working under pressure, keeping cool when faced with strong emotion or handling criticism from clients. Excellent for maintaining tactical flexibility, adapting to changing circumstances, defusing tense situations.

One of the neatest things I've learned is that to most threats I don't have to back into the fight or flight syndrome. I can respond to the dynamics of most situations in a way that the potential threat is deflected or redirected away from me, giving me time and the presence of mind to be proactive rather than purely reactive, and to consciously choose the appropriate level of defense.

Judo · August 7th, 2009, 01:23 AM

Wrestler from the second grade all the way into the Navy. After the Navy, started studying Judo to continue with grappling/throwing. I like Judo because every time you leave the dojo, you know what you can do because you practice live with throws, chokes and joint locks. Actual hand to hand every night we train (Randori). Judo is the sport form of Jujitsu. Been getting into the MMA style training as of late and seems very effective for the real world.

Random · August 17th, 2009, 12:30 PM

I started training 30 years ago in Kyokushin Karate. I've done other stuff since then (currently doing Shit0-ryu) - but the one thing I appreciate the most from my kyokushin training is learning how to take punishment without losing focus.

AutoFan · August 18th, 2009, 12:22 AM

I've studied two forms of Tae Kwon Do to the Brown Belt level (I moved for a job the first time and my instructor left town the second time), and dabbled in Shorin Ryu, Aikido and kick boxing. None of this was by design or planning, I just kind of happened into all of them.

Like right now, I'm looking to get back into Martial Arts (MA), because I need to get in shape and lose weight. I also have acquired a nice hand forged katana, so I figure I need to learn how to use it properly. Anyone know a good kendo instructor in the SE Florida area?

I personally don't believe in all the mysticism associated with most MA. It is all techniques and keeping the right frame of mind (i.e. situational awareness). I've actually taught people how to break boards and bricks without knowing ANY MA.

To use any MA in a self defense situation, you have to be able turn off the dojo mode and go full out.

ExSoldier · August 18th, 2009, 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AutoFan

I also have acquired a nice hand forged katana, so I figure I need to learn how to use it properly. Anyone know a good kendo instructor in the SE Florida area?

Well, AIKIDO is a sword art, after all. My original sensei for Aikido taught Bokkan (sp? lol it's been awhile) with tactical moves from the draw right on thru the "finish." He also taught the JO stick with the idea that it could closely resemble a pool cue. lol

Bm7b5 · September 2nd, 2009, 04:15 AM

I'm 100% on board with the self-defense system espoused at the No Nonsense Self Defense site.

J Bowen · September 2nd, 2009, 04:40 AM

Krav Maga for real life weapon takedown tactics.
Jui-Jitsu for fighting. Most all fights will end up on
the ground Jui Jitsu is best for ground fights.
I go to a lot of MMA fights and study the fights
on tv too and most of the fighters that practice tae kwon do/
kung fu and similar styles end up losing very badly.

July 21st, 2009, 09:13 PM	#42
Cupcake VIP Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Michigan Posts: 2,996	I guess I'll throw in my 2 cents: I'm on the injured list at the moment, but I still consider my self a Brazilian Jiu Jitsu student, who has dabbled and likely will study Muay Thai more seriously in the future. I enjoy these two sports, and they both absolutely have value on the street, but at the end of the day, they are sports. Sports with rules, and that is my dilemma with them and MMA for self defense in general. Even when playing around with friends, I find after the fact that I missed a ton of opportunities to do real damage and end a fight, but during the game I don't even think about it because the rules are so deeply seeded in my mind. So deeply seeded that once my buddy was trying to disarm me (training gun) and when he closed I instinctively tossed the gun aside so I could use two hands to fight. Not smart but better to learn about it in my friends' living room than on the street. My point is that training in a sport can be very helpful if I ever face one on one, or even two on one at times...but there are plenty of scenarios where one NEEDS to be able to flip the rules switch to the off position, and training in a system that emphasizes that from the beginning has got to be a benefit in that area. I still love my MMA training, and want to get back to it...but I also wish I could afford to take Krav at a good school. __________________ Sixto for President!

July 22nd, 2009, 01:02 AM	#43
njr Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: Northern Illinois Posts: 108	cupcake, I recall seeing some books or videos on amazon, maybe it was by Marc MacYoung or someone of his ilk re making your martial art street ready. You can also check out _Complete Krav Maga_ by Levine and Whitman. In Systema, we have it set up so you can find training partners through the website. You might check out MA sites to see if there are other kravists in your area. Or, check out Systema- takes longer to learn, but there's a lot of really good, real world stuff there, I think it's actually superior to Krav in terms of closing with skilled opponents, multiple opponents, etc. __________________ By the forests, behind the guns/In the streets and in the houses/Between the tanks, by the roadside/At the hands of the men, of the women, of the children/In the cold, in the dark, in hunger.... Bertolt Brecht, "To The German Soldiers In The East", stanza 9.

September 2nd, 2009, 04:15 AM	#49
Bm7b5 Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 147	No Nonsense Self Defense I'm 100% on board with the self-defense system espoused at the No Nonsense Self Defense site. Last edited by Bm7b5; September 2nd, 2009 at 12:32 PM..

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July 22nd, 2009, 02:05 AM	#44
mfcmb Member Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: USA Posts: 120	2nd degree black belt in Aikido. Have used it a lot for wrestling with multiple little kids, dodging falling boxes, avoiding inattentive drivers, weaving through traffic with a car or motorcycle. Excellent for situational awareness, command presence, working under pressure, keeping cool when faced with strong emotion or handling criticism from clients. Excellent for maintaining tactical flexibility, adapting to changing circumstances, defusing tense situations. One of the neatest things I've learned is that to most threats I don't have to back into the fight or flight syndrome. I can respond to the dynamics of most situations in a way that the potential threat is deflected or redirected away from me, giving me time and the presence of mind to be proactive rather than purely reactive, and to consciously choose the appropriate level of defense.

August 7th, 2009, 01:23 AM	#45
Judo Member Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Pittsburgh, PA Posts: 26	Wrestler from the second grade all the way into the Navy. After the Navy, started studying Judo to continue with grappling/throwing. I like Judo because every time you leave the dojo, you know what you can do because you practice live with throws, chokes and joint locks. Actual hand to hand every night we train (Randori). Judo is the sport form of Jujitsu. Been getting into the MMA style training as of late and seems very effective for the real world.

August 17th, 2009, 12:30 PM	#46
Random Member Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Clayton NC Posts: 267	I started training 30 years ago in Kyokushin Karate. I've done other stuff since then (currently doing Shit0-ryu) - but the one thing I appreciate the most from my kyokushin training is learning how to take punishment without losing focus.

August 18th, 2009, 12:22 AM	#47
AutoFan Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: The Sunshine State Posts: 1,143	I've studied two forms of Tae Kwon Do to the Brown Belt level (I moved for a job the first time and my instructor left town the second time), and dabbled in Shorin Ryu, Aikido and kick boxing. None of this was by design or planning, I just kind of happened into all of them. Like right now, I'm looking to get back into Martial Arts (MA), because I need to get in shape and lose weight. I also have acquired a nice hand forged katana, so I figure I need to learn how to use it properly. Anyone know a good kendo instructor in the SE Florida area? I personally don't believe in all the mysticism associated with most MA. It is all techniques and keeping the right frame of mind (i.e. situational awareness). I've actually taught people how to break boards and bricks without knowing ANY MA. To use any MA in a self defense situation, you have to be able turn off the dojo mode and go full out.

September 2nd, 2009, 04:40 AM	#50
J Bowen Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Southern USA Posts: 371	Krav Maga for real life weapon takedown tactics. Jui-Jitsu for fighting. Most all fights will end up on the ground Jui Jitsu is best for ground fights. I go to a lot of MMA fights and study the fights on tv too and most of the fighters that practice tae kwon do/ kung fu and similar styles end up losing very badly.