grifft

No MA experience but have taught defensive moves quite a few years. Had good results over the years. Getting to old know so I will just use my weapon or knife or car or whatever

fwellers

I have a question about the use of unarmed defense while 'heeled'.
What are the thoughts on that from experienced CC'ers.

My thoughts/concerns are this:
Suppose I am attacked without an option of getting away. Suppose the person is near my size but I have no way of knowing if he can take me or not.
I may be able to convince the law that using a gun ( deadly force ) was necessary because I have no idea what the person would do to me in case he won the altercation. He could kill me while I'm down by smashing my head in with his heels. Who knows right ?

On top of that, I don't want to have hand to hand combat with him, because there is a chance my concealed weapon would be found out and used against me.

Given those two "facts", what should be done ? How can you really mix it up with somebody mano a mano, while you have a gun in a hip holster ? Doesn't seem smart. Seems that if you're carrying, there is only one option when confronted with unavoidable force.
And that's not a good thing no matter how you slice it.

So what would you do if you're carrying and an unarmed person corners you trying to mug you or do some violent act to you. The law says force to match the force used against you, but as I said, hand to hand doesn't seem smart when you're carrying.

Thanks .
floyd

wormtown

Wing Chun. Very efficient and direct. Good for older people, younger people. Simultaneous defense and attack. Knife and sticks as well. Bruce Lee's original style.

I agree it is not so much style as the school/teacher, and especially the fighter.

@fweller's excellent questions:
Aside from work/clothing issues, this is one reason I have been favoring pocket carry. Smartcarry may be even better.

I think this is very important, as the situation is not often clear at the beginning. If you don't know any other techniques than drawing, you have no other options.

My strategy is a)don't get in fights b)train as much as you can. This gives you options. c)don't get in fights d)train retention as well as shooting e)don't get in fights

Make space/get to cover. If you are using MA, the space should already be closed when the violence starts (or you could have had time to make space). While that likely represents a failure of situational awareness, that can and does happen. So use open hand techniques to make space, then reevaluate.

JT1JT1

judo, aikido and muay thai. the last two extensively. love 'em all but given the nature of this audience and our shared interest, let me note this: aikido evolved from a form of budo practiced by guys mostly concerned about being able to draw, employ and retain the weapon of their day, often in the face of multiple bad guys. Just something to consider if you think you're interested in MIXED martial arts.

Hopyard

Just one situation, my instructor was jamming me as we boxed and I was being forced backward. He pointed to his belly and told me to kick. The point, a good kick can push your opponent back and make space. Open hand techniques should not be limited to the hands.

In our unarmed practice session arm to arm (mano a mano), a well placed kick followed by a good solid punch would have created the needed time and space to draw--- but in a real life situation where the aggressor was apparently unarmed there would be no (or only speculative and questionable) justification for use of the gun. Maybe better to wrap or trap and go for a throw.

Again, a certain amount of gratefulness extended to Mercop for the way he posed his question. I'd not been thinking about "blending" the MA with the gun except in terms of having an option; now I'm thinking about how the two skills can complement each other.

ItsMyRight2

This reminds me of a great book called "The art of fighting without fighting"

The book explains what trouble makers look for in victims and gives tips on mannerisms to avoid and stop violent situations without fighting. Basically punking out the bully or bad guy in very interesting ways. Its a great read.

Hopyard

Just checked at Amazon-- its got 5 stars and only costs about 9 bucks. Same author also wrote "The art of fighting." Think I'll order the pair. The price is right.

AllAbtSlfDef

I have not read the entire thread but have bounced around a bit. I study and teach Aikido and Japanese Jujitsu and Kyusho (pressure points) . I have experience in Judo, Kickboxing, Kali/Escrima, A well rounded art with roots in TKD/Wing Chun/Isshin Ryu/Kali and my father is ex Spec Ops from the 60's. I have exposure in alot of areas and this is what I find,


The best techniques to use in a fight are the ones that work for you. The ones you train and feel comfortable with. If you try to plan what you are going to do you will probably get hurt. BADLY!! I fight way different than any of my students and instructors. I agree with the blending of MA and Weapon skills. I also agree that you should have training at different ranges of confrontation.

aikido is great for blending with an attack and disgarding it passively, (it is passive for the person doing technique, deffinately not the one being thrown) then an in close situation my call for some nastiness of jujitsu(we call it our house of pain) ground work may be a mix of what you do standing up just on the ground. No reason you can't punch kick elbow knee and lock from the ground.

I believe in getting the job done as quickly as possible. If you are confronted with a knife and you have a gun, well, just remember BG's fam won't miss you, yours will. sorry to ramble but this is a soap box topic for me.

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Hopyard

FWIW, I'm almost 67 and have an incurable health problem which is going to kill me in a few years--I think 4-5. Meanwhile, I plan to be around and active until the doctors say no.

I'd say that if your mom's heart and blood pressure are reasonably O.K., she can find instruction which will get tailored to her needs.

A few years back I started out with Modern Arnis. Very interesting and very intricate, but after 18 months of lessons I realized I wouldn't likely live long enough to develop real skill. It was fascinating, but not meeting my needs.

Presently I am working one on one with a young man who primarily teaches Krav, but also knows some Modern Arnis and components of other arts. He has been able to tailor 1 hr lessons, taken 2 or 3 x per week to MY needs and my capabilities.

Yes, I come home from class exhausted and beat, but I've punched, kicked, elbowed, thrown, choked, gouged, disarmed, tossed, and practiced choreographed scenarios where I respond to "surprise" situations as best they can be set up in a classroom. (Amazingly, even when you know it is coming, it can still be a surprise and a stun.)

Whether or not your mom can get into Krav and related instruction is a function of her overall health--especially cardiac health and joint health-- and her willingness to work on something worthwhile and also quite entertaining.

There are at some schools classes in TaiChi which may be more suited to your mom's situation--though there is a difference between doing the forms and "contact," which might not appropriate for her.

Being realistic, I am well aware that these activities certainly are not appropriate for everyone in my age group--my wife for example-- and you should not push your mom to something which is not appropriate for her. I'm just saying, don't let age, as opposed to health, be the determinant.